Moose and Nosler etip bullets...observation.

BwanaDave said:
I've had good results with the 165 ttsx in the 300 win mag on the one moose I've shot with a mono metal
286 gr nosler partition and 165 barnes ttsx recovered from moose
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Recovered from the same moose?
 
I shot a moose twice at 480 yards this year, 280AI with nosler factory 140AB loads. Both shots hit the boiler room, both bullets were recovered. But one had a complete jacket seperation, definitely not what I would have expected at that kind of range/velocity. I had a buddy have some issues with close(ish) range shots with 160AB’s out of his STW, but I was hoping the lower velocity of the AI would negate the issue, cause man do they shoot well......
 
hawk-i said:
So I killed a mature bull last Sunday with my recently acquired M48 Liberty chambered in 30 Nosler. Range was just short of 200 yards from a perfect perch and rest at the top of a 15 foot high slash pile. Round used was factory Nosler 180 gr. Etip with an advertised muzzle velocity of 3100 fps.

With the perfect rest atop the slash pile (and knowing the rifle is well under MOA capable) I decide a neck shot would give me the least meat loss...flame suit on.

On taking the neck shot I get absolutely no reaction from the moose, it continues at its casual pace as if nothing has happened. The bull then enters a short wooded draw and I lose sight of him for a moment or two.

As the bull exits the draw and is again in clear view I can see he is shaking his head every few steps but otherwise unconcerned. Now at this point I decide the reliable lung shot was the better choice, so I take it.

Again I get no visible reaction from the bull who still continues at the same casual pace. He goes another 30 yards, stops and beds down and I'm saying YES, bull down.

10 seconds later he gets up and starts walking again. A bit puzzled I get ready to take a 3rd shot. However, as I scope him I can clearly see heavy bleeding from the exist side of the lung shot, so I hold off.

He goes another 30 yards and beds down again but takes another few minutes to expire.

When field dressing the moose I can see the neck shot was in and out with not much damage. The lung shot was also in and out without much damage. The lungs where intact with about a 1 to 2 inch wide wound channel.

I'm not happy with the results of the etip bullets, the neck shot passed within an inch or two of the vertebrae and should of anchored him. The lung shot should of turned the lungs to jelly and caused a much quicker kill.

Don't think I'll be using anymore mono metal bullets on moose.
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Bring back the OLD Silvertip
 
Weight retention is the most over-rated characteristic of a bullet. Guys have to start looking at what it did, and what the animal did instead of what the bullet looks like or what it weighs.
 
barry1974w said:
I shot a moose twice at 480 yards this year, 280AI with nosler factory 140AB loads. Both shots hit the boiler room, both bullets were recovered. But one had a complete jacket seperation, definitely not what I would have expected at that kind of range/velocity. I had a buddy have some issues with close(ish) range shots with 160AB’s out of his STW, but I was hoping the lower velocity of the AI would negate the issue, cause man do they shoot well......
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Complete jacket separation on an accubond? That's not supposed to happen...
 
barry1974w said:
I shot a moose twice at 480 yards this year, 280AI with nosler factory 140AB loads. Both shots hit the boiler room, both bullets were recovered. But one had a complete jacket seperation, definitely not what I would have expected at that kind of range/velocity. I had a buddy have some issues with close(ish) range shots with 160AB’s out of his STW, but I was hoping the lower velocity of the AI would negate the issue, cause man do they shoot well......
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I would like too see pics of a accubond that had a core separation. ive recovered 2 that looked good even after bone encounter, the rest passed on through. a 130 gr from a 270 win at 3050 fps and a 140 from a 7mm wsm at 3200 fps. the 7mm accubond went through close to 3 feet of deer and broke the shoulder shortly after entry.
 
I killed my moose with a 140gr etip out of a 7rm lar year. Big bodied bull. He made it 2 steps and flopped over. I found the bullet under the hide. A perfect mushroom. Now that's a small sample size but I would use them again.
 
prairie lover said:
I would like too see pics of a accubond that had a core separation. ive recovered 2 that looked good even after bone encounter, the rest passed on through. a 130 gr from a 270 win at 3050 fps and a 140 from a 7mm wsm at 3200 fps. the 7mm accubond went through close to 3 feet of deer and broke the shoulder shortly after entry.
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I was curious so threw a few Accubonds in the lead pot just to see how much of the bullets were actually copper or gilding metal. Turns out that they are over half copper, or half mono if you look at it that way.

The melted out husks were

.284 160 gr--------------88 grains

.308 150 grain-----------85 grains

.308 180 grain----------95 grains

.308 200 grain----------105 grains.
 
Dogleg said:
I was curious so threw a few Accubonds in the lead pot just to see how much of the bullets were actually copper or gilding metal. Turns out that they are over half copper, or half mono if you look at it that way.

The melted out husks were

.284 160 gr--------------88 grains

.308 150 grain-----------85 grains

.308 180 grain----------95 grains

.308 200 grain----------105 grains.
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Have you done a similar test with other bullets? Would be interesting to see how these compare to other similar bullets like the interbond or Woodleighs...
 
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UOTE=prairie lover;15356355]I would like too see pics of a accubond that had a core separation. ive recovered 2 that looked good even after bone encounter, the rest passed on through. a 130 gr from a 270 win at 3050 fps and a 140 from a 7mm wsm at 3200 fps. the 7mm accubond went through close to 3 feet of deer and broke the shoulder shortly after entry.[/QUOTE]

I’ve been having a hell of a time posting pics lately, not sure what the issue is, probably just that I’m electronically illiterate. If you don’t mind posting the photo for me, PM me your email and I’ll send some pics to you.
 
Suther said:
Have you done a similar test with other bullets? Would be interesting to see how these compare to other similar bullets like the interbond or Woodleighs...
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I'll have to do that next time I have a lead pot fired up. I was curious because Ballistic tips and Accubonds aren't really a cup and core. The 120 gr 7mm Ballistic tip is a weird one; it's 3/4s jacket. The Woodleigh is an easy opening bullet that sheds about as much weight as a Partition. Fast killer.
 
hawk-i said:
So I killed a mature bull last Sunday with my recently acquired M48 Liberty chambered in 30 Nosler. Range was just short of 200 yards from a perfect perch and rest at the top of a 15 foot high slash pile. Round used was factory Nosler 180 gr. Etip with an advertised muzzle velocity of 3100 fps.

With the perfect rest atop the slash pile (and knowing the rifle is well under MOA capable) I decide a neck shot would give me the least meat loss...flame suit on.

On taking the neck shot I get absolutely no reaction from the moose, it continues at its casual pace as if nothing has happened. The bull then enters a short wooded draw and I lose sight of him for a moment or two.

As the bull exits the draw and is again in clear view I can see he is shaking his head every few steps but otherwise unconcerned. Now at this point I decide the reliable lung shot was the better choice, so I take it.

Again I get no visible reaction from the bull who still continues at the same casual pace. He goes another 30 yards, stops and beds down and I'm saying YES, bull down.

10 seconds later he gets up and starts walking again. A bit puzzled I get ready to take a 3rd shot. However, as I scope him I can clearly see heavy bleeding from the exist side of the lung shot, so I hold off.

He goes another 30 yards and beds down again but takes another few minutes to expire.

When field dressing the moose I can see the neck shot was in and out with not much damage. The lung shot was also in and out without much damage. The lungs where intact with about a 1 to 2 inch wide wound channel.

I'm not happy with the results of the etip bullets, the neck shot passed within an inch or two of the vertebrae and should of anchored him. The lung shot should of turned the lungs to jelly and caused a much quicker kill.

Don't think I'll be using anymore mono metal bullets on moose.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. Consider that low meat damage 'eat up to the hole' is a big selling feature of the monometal bullets and your experience makes sense. The variability in reports on damage with mono's seems to me to hinge a lot on if bone is hit.

If only somebody could develop a bullet that was divided in half it could be like the best of both worlds, like having two bullets in one! The front half could be made really soft to fragment and open up big wound channel also it would open up on long shots where the velocity has bled off. The back half could be hard and protected so it keeps on penetrating and punches a hole through the animal. I bet if we had a bullet like that all our bullet problems would be over and the inventor would make a huge wack of money...




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Coolhand_Luke said:
Thank you for sharing your experience. Consider that low meat damage 'eat up to the hole' is a big selling feature of the monometal bullets and your experience makes sense. The variability in reports on damage with mono's seems to me to hinge a lot on if bone is hit.

If only somebody could develop a bullet that was divided in half it could be like the best of both worlds, like having two bullets in one! The front half could be made really soft to fragment and open up big wound channel also it would open up on long shots where the velocity has bled off. The back half could be hard and protected so it keeps on penetrating and punches a hole through the animal. I bet if we had a bullet like that all our bullet problems would be over and the inventor would make a huge wack of money...




;)
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You mean like a partition?
 
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