Moose Bullet Selection
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bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
You do know that you can proofread what you've typed before posting,right? There's even editing.
I think moose seem to die easy. People put too much effort into power on bullets that don't hold up to the high impact. Try a Barnes tsx in 180 gr. I have killed my last two moose in under 100m with winchester failsafe toped with 168gr nostler and they died just fine, you just have to hit em in the boiler room so if you can achieve a 4" group your load is fine lol. If you are more than 200m away then suck it up and get closer. And enjoy that hunt.
You were lucky.
It is illegal to shoot from a boat that has a motor mounted on it, in Ontario.
Shutting it off is no good, it must be removed and stowed.
"26 Hunting Regulations 2014
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2015
General Regulations
Use of Vehicles, Boats or Aircraft
(see Definitions, page 86)
Aircraft may not be used while hunting. Snowmobiles, vehi
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cles or boats may not be used for chasing, pursuing, harassing,
capturing, injuring or killing any wildlife.
It is illegal to have a loaded firearm in or on, or
discharge a firearm from, an aircraft, vehicle (including
snowmobile and all-terrain vehicle) or motorboat
or
anything towed by the boat. An exception to this rule is that
a person may obtain an authorization through the local
ministry office if the person’s mobility is impaired and the
person meets one of the following criteria:
1.
A paraplegic or hemiplegic.
2.
A single (above the knee) lower limb amputation or a
double (below the waist) amputation.
3.
Suffers severe disability and cannot hunt without the use
of a wheelchair or similar means of locomotion. In this
case, the hunter must provide a medical certificate stating
disability.
The authorization is valid for a period of up to five years for a
person with a permanent disability.
A loaded firearm may be carried in, and discharged from, a
canoe or boat that is being paddled, WITH NO MOTOR ATTACHED. "
Capitals by me.
Regards,
flyr
between those, 300wsm, for sure !! 30-06 drops off way sooner than a .300 wsm, or a win-mag... for moose, you're sighted in with a .300 winmag/wsm.. at 1-2" high at 200 yards.... you're pretty much set to point and shoot out to 300 with no, or little guess work... and if have a 500 yard shot, well, you'll have to aim 3'over his back.... it's much faster and flatter and more punch than a 30-06.
It's a no brainer in my mind.
It's a no brainer in my mind.
I was waiting for someone to start this Bull Sh!T. Shooting from a BOAT with a motor, say again BOAT with a motor not a snow mobile of ATV, or truck. Shooting from a motorized boat is legal "if" the motor is off and the boat is at anchor. Or the motor is off and tilted up.
And don't even think of trying to trying to refute that. I hunted in big water for ducks when the boat was rigged with the hide in an area that was ripe with many other rigs of the same type and we were checked by CO's many times a fall and over the years we got to know the fellas on a first name basis. Never was there an issue with the boat set up and shooting from it, as long as it was anchored or the motor tilted up.
Now I haven't hunted bay ducks for years so the regulations may have changed, I don't know and I don't really care. But I do know that at the time I was doing the activities that I posted I was not breaking any laws and I resent someone like yourself who just can't wait to make accusations not knowing all the facts. So you can shove your posted quotes where the sun don't shine pal as they are completely irrelevant.
And don't even think of trying to trying to refute that. I hunted in big water for ducks when the boat was rigged with the hide in an area that was ripe with many other rigs of the same type and we were checked by CO's many times a fall and over the years we got to know the fellas on a first name basis. Never was there an issue with the boat set up and shooting from it, as long as it was anchored or the motor tilted up.
Now I haven't hunted bay ducks for years so the regulations may have changed, I don't know and I don't really care. But I do know that at the time I was doing the activities that I posted I was not breaking any laws and I resent someone like yourself who just can't wait to make accusations not knowing all the facts. So you can shove your posted quotes where the sun don't shine pal as they are completely irrelevant.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I think you mistook the 200 yard impact as inches rather than MOA, since you need to be sighted about 4.5" high at 200 to get a 300 yard zero, which then puts you about 27" low at 500, with a 180 gr AB at 3000 fps. Shooting the same bullet at 2800, which is within the performance envelope of a .30/06, the drop at 500 is 32", assuming the same zero, a difference fo about 1 minute. If you know how to shoot your rifle at extended ranges, drop, unlike wind, is easy because its a constant. Even if you have a gadget that allows you to know the range to the target, if you don't know how to compensate for the drop or for the wind at extended ranges, you need to get closer. If one hasn't done enough shooting to know this, the choice of a .300 magnum provides little advantage. If drawn to those big case numbers that produce 3300-3500 beginning with the .300 Weatherby, those not hardened to energetic recoil, cannot hope to exploit their ballistic advantage under the circumstances you describe.
With few exceptions, moose hunting is not a long range gig, and even a 300 yard poke is the exception to the rule. But since moose can be observed along power-lines, across fields of alfalfa, across stretches of treeless tundra, on a point of land across a small lake, across a burn, bog, or clear-cut, along a shoreline, or from one hillside to another, the possibility of a long shot cannot be entirely discounted either. But before you leave home you should decide what type of hunting you'll engage in, and have the equipment with you that is appropriate for that specific activity. Most of us are better off to pass up the long shot, so we can carry a handier rifle in difficult country, with the benefit of a scope that provides a wider field of view.
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
That's a somewhat slow 300 WM and a somewhat fast 30-06 you have there.
Since OPA Extreme made reference to both the .300 Winchester and the .300 WSM, I thought I'd split the difference, and with handloads my .30/06 ZG-47 makes 2800+ with 180s even in the cold, probably due to it's 25" barrel. If you want to compare 26" .300 Weatherby velocities to 22" .30/06 velocities, the .300 certainly has a ballistic advantage, until you realize that you still have to adjust the scope's elevation, or hold off for trajectory, at extended ranges, and that not everyone does well with 40 ft-lbs of recoil from the solid shooting position necessary to make hits at extended ranges. The point is that a 500 yard moose is within the performance envelope of a .30/06 with a long tube. Because OPA's location is TO, and his perceived .300 trajectory seemed a bit off, I thought it possible that perhaps he didn't have much trigger time with a .300, or had spent much time in difficult country, but then again, I might be wrong.
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Since OPA Extreme made reference to both the .300 Winchester and the .300 WSM, I thought I'd split the difference, and with handloads my .30/06 ZG-47 makes 2800+ with 180s even in the cold, probably due to it's 25" barrel. If you want to compare 26" .300 Weatherby velocities to 22" .30/06 velocities, the .300 certainly has a ballistic advantage, until you realize that you still have to adjust the scope's elevation, or hold off for trajectory, at extended ranges, and that not everyone does well with 40 ft-lbs of recoil from the solid shooting position necessary to make hits at extended ranges. The point is that a 500 yard moose is within the performance envelope of a .30/06 with a long tube. Because OPA's location is TO, and his perceived .300 trajectory seemed a bit off, I thought it possible that perhaps he didn't have much trigger time with a .300, or had spent much time in difficult country, but then again, I might be wrong.
you're rigth..was going from memory...which is not as good as it use to be... If sighted in for approx. 250yards, then at 500 yards, would aim. little less than 3 feet high, but from where you want to hit, not from its back... I haven't shot tons with my 300winmag, but know the tragectories...but never shot past 300 yards... going by ballistic info for the rest of it....but was correct about, if sighted in little high at 200, you basically sighted in for up to 325 yards.... still have to adjust little bit...but don't have to worry if you aimed 2.5 or 6 " H...get all worked up and take forever to take the shot...on a bull...if a calf, smaller target, so little more though or click adjustment to be concerned about...
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
Since OPA Extreme made reference to both the .300 Winchester and the .300 WSM, I thought I'd split the difference, and with handloads my .30/06 ZG-47 makes 2800+ with 180s even in the cold, probably due to it's 25" barrel. If you want to compare 26" .300 Weatherby velocities to 22" .30/06 velocities, the .300 certainly has a ballistic advantage, until you realize that you still have to adjust the scope's elevation, or hold off for trajectory, at extended ranges, and that not everyone does well with 40 ft-lbs of recoil from the solid shooting position necessary to make hits at extended ranges. The point is that a 500 yard moose is within the performance envelope of a .30/06 with a long tube. Because OPA's location is TO, and his perceived .300 trajectory seemed a bit off, I thought it possible that perhaps he didn't have much trigger time with a .300, or had spent much time in difficult country, but then again, I might be wrong.
That's pretty much a given regardless of caliber.
There is an exception for waterfowl hunting, but the regs are clear; It is illegal to have a loaded firearm in or on, or discharge a firearm from, an aircraft, vehicle (including a snowmobile and all-terrain vehicle) or motorboat
A loaded firearm may be carried in, and discharged from, a canoe or boat that is being paddled, with no motor attached.
MOTORBOATS: Under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997 a motorboat means a boat with a motor that is attached to the boat. There is an exception to the prohibition on loaded firearms in a motorboat if you are hunting waterfowl in accordance with the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994.
Thank You 9.3mauser,
mrgoat may be OK with his ducks but if he hunts moose the same way(which this thread relates to) he will be fined or worse.
I flew the MNR enforcement types around the Sioux lookout,Kenora,Red Lake areas,off and on for a few years, and have seen a number of very unhappy hunters as a result.
mrgoat may be OK with his ducks but if he hunts moose the same way(which this thread relates to) he will be fined or worse.
I flew the MNR enforcement types around the Sioux lookout,Kenora,Red Lake areas,off and on for a few years, and have seen a number of very unhappy hunters as a result.
Bruce, you have way more experience in moose country and with load development than I do, and I respect that....
That being said, "accuracy" is a relative term..... OP spoke of a potential 500 yard shot.... Let's say the DRT zone in a moose is about the size of a basketball... 10 inches..... If your rifle (and you for that matter) shoots 2 MOA then you are potentially looking to use up that ten inches at that distance.... This on top of wind drift and drop compensation....
Of course, 500 yards is not your average moose shot, but taking OP at face value, the majority of advice was offered accordingly.....
You sure must have small moose in Ontario!
I would say the deadly zone on a mature moose is about twenty inches, considering the big deadly spine and hump area on a high shot, it may be more.
The OP said super accuracy, usually meaning sub MOA. So what's the point in having a rifle that accurate, when taken to the hunting field where it would be an extremely rare shooter who can shoot two MOA and a more realistic figure for moose hunters under actual hunting conditions is probably more like 4 to 6 inches like at 100 yards, even with your run of the mill rests, like resting the rifle against a tree and the shooter is well practiced.
Besides the poor shooting at game that I have seen, I base part of my opinion on the results of a major shooting competition that ran for several years in BC and Alberta, starting in the early 1970s and may still be held in some areas, the Rifleman's Rodeo.
It was designed for hunters, using life size big game animal targets with scoring rings place over the vital areas, with the ten ring being 4 inches and going down at least an inch between each ring of 9,8,7 and so on. The targets were from 100 to 300 yards, with running, actually smoothly running on tracks, deer and antelope, at 100 yards, a bear at 200, a sheep at 250 and a goat at 300.
A shooter could use any position, like prone or sitting, but could not rest the rifle on any inert object and was allowed one shot at each target. When he/she was ready a target would appear, but the shooter would not know which target until it appeared. The stationary targets would pop up and stay for 4 seconds.
I was one of the club officials running the show at our town, I was secretary of the club for several years and I still have most of the official scoring books.
A perfect score would be 50, meaning each shot in a ten ring. There were several hundred events shot every year and in the 8 or 9 years our club hosted the shoot, and shooters came from wide areas in Alberta, BC, and, even one or two from Sask., the highest score ever shot was 44 and this by a young lady who's dad, that always shot in the events, was a virtual professional rifle shot.
More years than not there wouldn't be one single score of 40 or more, shot! Meaning no one would average all five shots in the 8 ring, for those years. The Rifleman's Rodeo, which started in Calgary, was designed to get hunters out shooting and meant to attract hunters, as well as target shooters. The rifles had to be at least 6mm bore.
And here was the pay off. Many, and I mean a lot, and often, shooters who were hunters, but not target shooters, would shoot their five shots and not touch a scoring ring, not even a 1 or 2 ring. A score of zilch!
As I stated, I still have the official score books from several years of shooting, so I am not going by memory, but have the books to prove what I have said.
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- New Scotland
Moose hunting is the reason that the 30 caliber Partition exists. Ironically it was the 300 H&H, the 76 year older almost ballistic twin of the 300 WSM, was the reason for the innovation. In either the 30-06 or 300 WSM it's the standard by which the others have been, and will forever be, judged.
