Moose shot at 1100 yards
- Thread starter Winchester-1897
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- dunnville ,ont
1000 yds ?
Come on now,, I dont believe it for a minute. How long did it suffer ??????
Come on now,, I dont believe it for a minute. How long did it suffer ??????
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
With a severed spine? Not long.
In that some people have no business shooting at live targets at 50 yards, I won't pass judgement on someone who has the skill to make a 1000+ yard shot on a live target. Perhaps thats what ethics is, attempting only what we have a reasonable expectation of success when the target is live.
How does a severed spine, severed fairly far back, contribute to a quick death? Humans with severed spines do not die but go on to live extremely long lives, animal is no different.
The spine was not severed far enough forward to interfere with brain and organ function. The front part of that moose was still trying to get up for several minutes. The moose died from blood loss, he may have nicked an artery judging by the blood around the ground, no different if it had been heart shot.
However, I maintain that was not a good shot. Just because it died, doesn't make it a good shot. I'm sorry, you can't spin it enough for me to believe that.
RW, how do you know the moose "struggled for several minutes to get up". From the shot till we lose sight is 7 seconds, during which I do not see the moose get to his knees or even roll onto his belly. So you can spin it any way you want to, you won't make me believe that moose took very long to bleed out or die.
I've seen animals spined, that did try to get up and that is not what I saw here.
I've also seen little deer lung shot at less than 100yds that ran off and were hunted the WHOLE day before they were finally killed with 1,2,3, or 4 more shots. I guess those guys are unethical and should not be hunting.
No one has to spin anything any way. It is what it is and does not require anyone to judge the shooter's ethics. Judge his skill as a shooter, fine, but his ethics are his alone.
I've seen animals spined, that did try to get up and that is not what I saw here.
I've also seen little deer lung shot at less than 100yds that ran off and were hunted the WHOLE day before they were finally killed with 1,2,3, or 4 more shots. I guess those guys are unethical and should not be hunting.
No one has to spin anything any way. It is what it is and does not require anyone to judge the shooter's ethics. Judge his skill as a shooter, fine, but his ethics are his alone.
If hunters don't want people judging their ethics,maybe they should stop posting video's of this crap online! Was this hunter/shooter expecting everyone to go wow what an amazing hunter? Seems hard for young hunters to gain a real respect for hunting and the animals we hunt with such examples.
Perfect ammo for the antis! This crap gets the goat of a seasoned hunter, and it is supposed to be OK to the mainstream? Give me a break!!
BTW, RF, A properly lungshot animal [unless shot with illegal FMJ ammo] will not require a finishing shot after a day of searching/finding. Properly lungshot animals die within seconds, possibly a minute or so. Your attempts at justification for this long range shooting are lame at best. Eagleye.
BTW, RF, A properly lungshot animal [unless shot with illegal FMJ ammo] will not require a finishing shot after a day of searching/finding. Properly lungshot animals die within seconds, possibly a minute or so. Your attempts at justification for this long range shooting are lame at best. Eagleye.
No. The ethics of the shooting of this moose are not his alone.
The entire shooting fraternity, all of us, are judged by the hunting of each individual hunter.
When the general public look at a video such as this and if they decide hunting is cruel to animals, do you think they will just say that the one individual hunter in the video was unethical? No way.
It is hunting which will take the rap.
That's an interesting point. Last fall a hunter we knew took a shot at a deer, quartering towards him, at about 35 yards, using a .300 and 180 grain bullets, just like in the video here. This should have been sufficient to kill a deer promptly.
He couldn't find the deer and the next day went back, still couldn't find it so he called my friend and I who have more experience tracking than him.
When we did find the deer, it had gone well over a km, probably more like 2km. It had laid down several times in the snow, leaving 2 blood patches which we could only think was an entry and exit wound.
The deer had been hit in the shoulder, quartering towards, but low (more in the leg) the bullet did not enter the chest cavity, but went under the animals belly and split his nuts in half. Yup, a #### shot. The deer eventually bled out from these 2 injuries and toppled down a cliff, which is why he was hard to find.
The point is that who would call that 35 yard shot unethical? Yet the deer lived much longer than that moose shot at 1100 yards. People say he made a poor shot, hit to far back, etc etc but this happens with every distance animals are shot at.So where exactly is the line drawn? 300? 500? 700?
HMMM? First of all the antis do not care at all how or why an animal dies. If you hunt it is unethical. But don't take my word for it as the organization that specializes in the ethical treatment of animals.
Maybe the clip was posted for your entertainment or to show how skilled the shooter was. From what I've seen in this thread no one is stepping up to submit their preferences for my scrutiny to see if they are ethical or not.
Eagleye, what is a proper lung shot? If it is one where large chunks of lung are blown out the exit wound, then you are wrong. Is it one where the same thing happens on the second shot? Chunks of lung hanging on the brush/
Do you think the antis would be impressed with that.
Because YOU don't see something does not mean it didn't happen or doesn't exist.
Now would any of you ethics police like to tall us how many animals you have wounded or seen wounded inside 100yards? Anyone got a clip they want to post for everyone to judge. Anyone got a nose bleed from being so high on your horse? Or are you all gonna ignore my questions yet again because it may mean you need something more than your self righteous opinion to insult someone.
Were those 1,2,3 or 4 more shots hits or misses?
Gatehouse; These things do happen, but did he post his poor shot and subsequent actions on a public forum for all to see? I see it as a poorly placed shot, which can happen at any distance. Nevertheless, exposing ourselves needlessly to public criticism makes no sense whatsoever. I have hunted since 1958, and have lost exactly one animal in that time. [found 24 hrs later, but not salvageable] The shot was, like the one you describe, just a bit low, and failed to catch any decent part of the lungs. FWIW, the shot was under 100 yards, but clipped a previously unseen branch between the deer and me. Eagleye.
Whatever you say must be so, since you are obviously into justifying your own views quite heavily. I have shot and seen shot enough game in my lifetime to be able to voice a educated opinion here, and I stand by my statement. A shot through the lungs [not the fringes or edge of one lung], with a bullet that expands properly, whether it exits or not, never goes very far. As a matter of fact, of all the lungshot animal I have taken, the farthest any went was about 150 yards, a Whitetail deer, long death run in a semi-circle, died in mid-stride. The respectable number of Elk & moose have all died within 80 yards or less. Eagleye.
Are you on drugs??!! There is no f***ing way a properly lung shot deer is gonna live a whole day!! A lung shot deer is a lot different than a deer that had a shot hit the lung.
My last words on this subject are these:
My mistakes are my mistakes. I have made poor shots, lost animals, tracked animals for a whole day and part of the next. I have learned from this that I will not take a shot that I am not certain of. If I cannot mitigate suffering, or there is a chance that I can't guarantee a vital area shot, then I won't take it.
I have an advantage...I don't hunt racks so I can wait for a shot. An animal MUST be broadside if over 200. Frontal or quartering away for less than that. I will not fire on an animal quartering toward nor will I fire at a moving animal. Also I won't fire at an animal without a solid rest or a sling.
I have spent dollars learning to reload the best ammo I can so that I can shoot more than the average hunter.
I hardly ever carry the extra weight of cameras or video, but if I did, I would not let anyone but my wife and kids see my mistakes, just to teach them better . Let alone post it on youtube for the world to see. My shame is my own and I can still remember each and every bad shot and how it turned out.
I understand what you mean here, but the horse is already out of the barn, and closing the doors now is truly pointless. In this day and age of computers and satellite TV, trying to keep quiet and not exposing hunters to critics is impossible. The internet is full of hunting, fishing and trapping videos and forums. There is lots of "ammunition" for critics out there, more than they can ever use, really.
While this may seem like a bad thing for the image of hunters (because schit does indeed happen and sometimes it gets recorded and/or discussed) I believe the positive aspects of the increased availability of information outweighs the bad.
Our changing demographics mean that there are more urbanites that are never exposed to hunting, hunters stopped being visible and started hiding their activities and therefore there has been a sharp decline in hunters (until recently)
BC went from a high of 130 000 hunters in the 80's to about 80 000 in the new millennium. Recently that trend has been reversed and another 10-15 000 hunters have been added to the ranks. I believe that many of these new hunters would have never been exposed to hunting and taken the steps to get their CORE and PAL if they didn't have the internet to do some research and look at the pictures and videos before jumping in to the process.
While not every hunting video is my glass of beer (I don't drink cups of tea) I think that hunting will experience a Renaissance of sorts as the internet makes it more mainstream. In fact, I think it's already happening, as it's starting to be "cool" to hunt again.
Holy crap, I haven't heard such a whine fest since I taught grade two!!
The Op posts an accomplishment, and instead of being recognized as such... he's berated like a school girl by a bunch of arm-chair quarterbacks who don't have the knowledge, nor the skill to repeat it. Then justify their inadequacies by saying how UN-ethical he was.
what a freakin Joke!
OP: good on ya dude! keep up the good work (and yes, I mean work; achieving and maintaining that ability isn't a day in the park).
detractors: If you don't have anything nice to say... DONT SAY ANYTING!
Here, instead of constantly whining, I'll give ya something else to do:
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The Op posts an accomplishment, and instead of being recognized as such... he's berated like a school girl by a bunch of arm-chair quarterbacks who don't have the knowledge, nor the skill to repeat it. Then justify their inadequacies by saying how UN-ethical he was.
what a freakin Joke!
OP: good on ya dude! keep up the good work (and yes, I mean work; achieving and maintaining that ability isn't a day in the park).
detractors: If you don't have anything nice to say... DONT SAY ANYTING!
Here, instead of constantly whining, I'll give ya something else to do:
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so sniper are you sayin if I posted a video of me licking my finger, sticking it in the wind, taking my little 10/22 and giving it 12 feet of texas hold over and got a lucky hit on a mulies spine over its ass where it has no effect on its vital life systems at 350 yards youd give me a pat on the back! congratulating me on my skill, aw thanks man, that just means the world to me. I mean clearly if I made the hit it was successful and ethical. never mind the cact that in the time it takes for the bullet flight it could move causing a gut shot, or a jaw hit or a doe to step in the way.
No, actually I'd call you an idiot and probably report you. It's illegal to hunt big game with a rimfire
