Moose shot at 1100 yards
- Thread starter Winchester-1897
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I know you never claimed to have made that physically impossible shot but you do claim to have witnessed such an impossible defeat of physics. Did you mean feet? was it a different caliber? cus it sure wasnt a 22 magnum at nearly 1000 yards, that my friend isnt happening on this planet.
wow, what a fun read.!!!!
in previous threads i've read that many members advocate that a 45-70 has taken game out to 300 yds, but yet the same members are flaming this 1000yd shot as unethical. im not really taking a side, but in an energy comparison , they are the same, TOF long enough to count with a timex, and drop drift past what 99%percent of shooters can do. not to mention very few cowboy actions are known for /moa.
so is a 300 yd shot from a 45-70 just as unethical??
in previous threads i've read that many members advocate that a 45-70 has taken game out to 300 yds, but yet the same members are flaming this 1000yd shot as unethical. im not really taking a side, but in an energy comparison , they are the same, TOF long enough to count with a timex, and drop drift past what 99%percent of shooters can do. not to mention very few cowboy actions are known for /moa.
so is a 300 yd shot from a 45-70 just as unethical??
Sniper-T
If you are going to make something up, make it somewhat believable.
The moose story is a total meth hallucination.
I don't know about the rest of you, but a golf ball that is only 1.68 inches in diameter is a pretty damn small target @ 500.
These stories of impossibe shots have made you a big target.From what I see, is you are getting hit consistently from all angles, and Provinces.That there Sir is reality.
P.S. From these fabrications forth there is no way your posts can be taken as credible.
If you are going to make something up, make it somewhat believable.
The moose story is a total meth hallucination.
I don't know about the rest of you, but a golf ball that is only 1.68 inches in diameter is a pretty damn small target @ 500.
These stories of impossibe shots have made you a big target.From what I see, is you are getting hit consistently from all angles, and Provinces.That there Sir is reality.
P.S. From these fabrications forth there is no way your posts can be taken as credible.
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Wow! There are some pretty hot riflemen out there.
Last week I was out shooting my 20 pound .308 target rifle that has most of the buzzers and bells that I could think of hanging on it, including: a heavy Kreiger barrel, a tweaked M-700 action bedded into a fully adjustable McMillan A-5 stock, a Jewell Trigger, S&B 4-16X scope, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, shooting prone on the sea ice, from the bipod, with Matrix 210 gr VLDs at 2550, I put 5 just inside 2" at 500. I was quite pleased with that, and since I have shot groups like that on previous occasions, I am of the opinion that with that rifle, under similar conditions, I can count on that level of accuracy at 500 yards. When I double the range however, the rifle tends to shoot closer to MOA than half. When I shoot at 100 yards, the rifle has printed groups in the .1s". If the weather or light drops, all bets are off.
My .243 is sort of a walking varmint rifle, a M-7 action Lilja medium varmint barrel, a cheap B&C stock that is glass and pillar bedded, and a 4-12X Leupold. With those 55 gr BTs, at 600 yards it will barely stay on a 8.5"X11" target, but within 300 it can be counted on to stay within a half minute.
Neither of my big game rifles will do that, although they aren't set up to either. My .375 Ultra has a 2X scope, and shooting prone, slung up I can usually count on 2" groups at 300 yards, under ideal conditions. Flatten the light, or add a gusty wind and all bets are off. My .30/06 is a ghost ring and post arrangement. At 300 yards, slung up prone, I feel pretty good about MOA groups, when that is the point of the exercise. Either of these rifles will print 2 MOA at 100 shooting off hand, if I am having a particularly good day, but 3-4 is more the average.
Now shooting groups is one thing, but knowing where that first bullet will hit the target out of a cold barrel, under the conditions of the moment is another. But apparently I'm way behind the curve compared to some here. Golf balls at 500! Off hand! On demand! Maybe I should collect stamps.
Last week I was out shooting my 20 pound .308 target rifle that has most of the buzzers and bells that I could think of hanging on it, including: a heavy Kreiger barrel, a tweaked M-700 action bedded into a fully adjustable McMillan A-5 stock, a Jewell Trigger, S&B 4-16X scope, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, shooting prone on the sea ice, from the bipod, with Matrix 210 gr VLDs at 2550, I put 5 just inside 2" at 500. I was quite pleased with that, and since I have shot groups like that on previous occasions, I am of the opinion that with that rifle, under similar conditions, I can count on that level of accuracy at 500 yards. When I double the range however, the rifle tends to shoot closer to MOA than half. When I shoot at 100 yards, the rifle has printed groups in the .1s". If the weather or light drops, all bets are off.
My .243 is sort of a walking varmint rifle, a M-7 action Lilja medium varmint barrel, a cheap B&C stock that is glass and pillar bedded, and a 4-12X Leupold. With those 55 gr BTs, at 600 yards it will barely stay on a 8.5"X11" target, but within 300 it can be counted on to stay within a half minute.
Neither of my big game rifles will do that, although they aren't set up to either. My .375 Ultra has a 2X scope, and shooting prone, slung up I can usually count on 2" groups at 300 yards, under ideal conditions. Flatten the light, or add a gusty wind and all bets are off. My .30/06 is a ghost ring and post arrangement. At 300 yards, slung up prone, I feel pretty good about MOA groups, when that is the point of the exercise. Either of these rifles will print 2 MOA at 100 shooting off hand, if I am having a particularly good day, but 3-4 is more the average.
Now shooting groups is one thing, but knowing where that first bullet will hit the target out of a cold barrel, under the conditions of the moment is another. But apparently I'm way behind the curve compared to some here. Golf balls at 500! Off hand! On demand! Maybe I should collect stamps.
Please tell me at what point in these missed, wounded and lost animals did you finally start hitting your targets 100% of the time?
If you could share your secrets I bet there would be a lot less wounded, lost and missed animals.How do you GUARANTEE a hit to the vitals every time?
"I have an advantage...I don't hunt racks so I can wait for a shot"
HMMM? I thought the kill zone on a deer was the same size on a buck or a doe. Is it different on a cow elk and and a bull? how about moose? Or do you really think Rack hunters shoot the racks?
You and I are different. If I ever made a mistake I wouldn't let my wife or kids know, they think I'm perfect. YMMV.
About 10 years ago.
Sure, not secrets.
1. Learn to shoot.
2.Shoot lots.
3.Make sure that both you and what you shoot is capable of consistent minimum 3/4" groups.
4.Know where you are hunting and adjust your rifle/bullet/hunter combo to that specific type/area.
5.NEVER shoot a game animal that is moving.
6.NEVER shoot a game animal offhand.
7.NEVER shoot a game animal that is outside of your comfort zone.
8.NEVER shoot a game animal if you can't guarantee you can group under 6" at the distance you are shooting.
9.NEVER shoot a game animal without knowing the range. I pre-range EVERY area I shoot in so that I KNOW how far away stuff is. (Habit I got into making range cards for every frickin OP or trench I ever got stuck in).
10.NEVER trophy hunt.
11.NEVER spend big dollars on a hunt without expecting to come home empty. (Most trophy hunters feel justified in taking chance with shots simply because they HAVE to have something to show).
12.NEVER hunt only one day per season.
13.NEVER hunt an area you haven't scouted beforehand to have some idea of where animals MAY go when hit.
Kill zone is actually slightly bigger on males than on females due to the added thickness of the bodies, but you probably knew that. I mean that I can afford to wait for a broadside shot or a more perfect setup. In 10 years I have not shot at an animal that was not either fully broadside or fully frontal.
Nope, I think rack hunters take shots that are not perfect because if they wait for a perfect shot, they will lose the animal, so they decide to shoot the animal in the ass with a magnum whizbanger that will plow through the hindquarters, paunch, and finally hit the vital area. And before I get flamed for that, I have watched, in horror, Rack hunters do just that. (of course, they say it was quartering away and the bullet went in wrong or some such thing). I have found animals left in the woods in just such a state, only the head is gone. The ENTIRE animal was left behind!!
To sum up. I have shot deer at 600yds. So, yes I can hit a moose at 1000yds. Would I shoot? Nope. Can't guarantee that I can hit a 6" target at 1000yds.
bearkilr
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You're painting trophy hunters with a pretty broad brush. I've found the opposite actually. Those who spend lots of money on hunting generally practice the most and are more disciplined.
Farmer Bob who goes after his yearly doe with a pocketfull of mismatched ammo and a rifle that was sighted in 25 years ago is far more prone to wounding and lobbing shots at anything out there. At least that's been my observation.
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Boomer, I shot with the whole danged national team when I was a kid, and have met some of the world's best at other times, and I wouldn't put money on David Tubbs HIMSELF if it came down to a golf ball at 500 even if it wasn't a cold bore shot, let alone you or myself!!!
That is some crazy accuracy, for sure.
We mess with 500 meter golf balls using our Fclass and Palma guns at 500 and yes, OCCASIONALLY we will take one out, but I have never shot one offhand, and I do a "fair bit" of silhouette shooting .
Somebody's smokin' again!!
Cat
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All we need is a video of the golf balls @ 500, wouldn't that settle it???
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Ya, but can you do it with a MIRROR??
Cat
Yes, but only to 500 yards
ALL HAIL THE NEW KING!!
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Long range game shooting should probably be left to those experts who are dedicated in pursuing it. ATR suggested once that a group diameter of 4" should determine your maximum range on big game. But accurate shooting is only part of the problem. An equally big part of the problem is that of correct range estimation. Unless Bambi or Bullwinkle walks out precisely at your target frame where you normally shoot known distance 1000 yard targets, range estimation is just that, an estimation. When you dial in your scope to hit a 1000 yard target, based on the thousand yard butt at your home range, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the critter might actually be 10 yards closer or 10 yards farther away. Even if your range estimation is 100% correct, if the target appears at an angle above or below horizontal, the trajectory of your bullet will cause it to hit low, the amount dependent on the steepness of the angle. With many centerfire cartridges, using a center hold on the target, a mistake in range estimation of 10 yards, only +/- 1%, is enough to take you off target and result in a clean miss or worse a wounded animal. I don't know of any of the affordable rangefinders, laser or coincidence, that can hold closer than +/- 1% at 1000.
Most riflemen would hold a .300 magnum in high regard as a long range big game cartridge. But even a bullet from a .300 magnum is off target, that is it is outside the kill zone of a big game animal, if the error in range estimation exceeds +/- 2% when the sight is adjusted correctly for the estimated distance. Of course any deviation in velocity of 25 fps or greater adds to the error, as does a whole host of other variables well known to long range marksmen. Now if the accuracy of range estimation is as critical as +/- 2% with a .300 magnum loaded with the slipperiest bullets that we have access to, the challenge then is untenable with lessor rounds.
Most riflemen would hold a .300 magnum in high regard as a long range big game cartridge. But even a bullet from a .300 magnum is off target, that is it is outside the kill zone of a big game animal, if the error in range estimation exceeds +/- 2% when the sight is adjusted correctly for the estimated distance. Of course any deviation in velocity of 25 fps or greater adds to the error, as does a whole host of other variables well known to long range marksmen. Now if the accuracy of range estimation is as critical as +/- 2% with a .300 magnum loaded with the slipperiest bullets that we have access to, the challenge then is untenable with lessor rounds.
just shut- up and disappear
geeze talk about diahrea,I think I'll pull out the tractor and the chestwaders the b.s. is getting way to deep.Ok,ok your awesome good-bye!If your gonna b.s. at least make it remotely possible.lmao
geeze talk about diahrea,I think I'll pull out the tractor and the chestwaders the b.s. is getting way to deep.Ok,ok your awesome good-bye!If your gonna b.s. at least make it remotely possible.lmao
Thanks for the reply RW. Soem good points there no doubt. I still don't see how you can guarantee a kill shot. By doing all those things you've listed, you increase your chances, but no guarantees.
What part od Alberta are you from?
Johnn Peterson
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How true. To that end, guys experienced and with the right equipment are a pleasure to behold. I've posted this previously on another thread, but after I 'questioned' aspects of a long range shot taken in a video on an Elk hunt, I got an invite to try it out. Myself and a friend, hs4570, joined some local guys for some long range shooting at the military range in Naniamo. That longer range ability, while beyond what I'm capeable of it 'looked' simple when done by guys who are experienced in that aspect of shooting and having the appropriate equipment.Boomer,
I will totally agree with your first statement. However, it took at least 20-30 minutes. Was that ethical or humane? I was hoping to get out of this complete s**tstorm of a thread, but, no such luck.
Those of you who have criticized my attack on the original shooter as unethical, please forgive me. I had no right to force my ethics or views on another. The only thing we have to conform to in our lives and society is the absolute legal interpretation or any situation. There is no gray area. It is either legal or illegal. If it is legal, no matter by what loose but justifiable interpretation of the law, then it's all good. Yet, just how many things are not illegal yet are unethical. You are not legally bound to report someone who may have modified his car so as to make it totally unsafe, and you are not legally prosecutable for that lapse, but if it killed someone, would you not have been ethically bound to do so, simply to prevent that?
Lead on, MacDuff..teach me about ethics. I have only had a course or two myself, so I can still learn at the feet of the master.
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Winchester-1897
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I've see golf balls done at 200 yrds by real snipers at Borden with supressed ammo,damb near silent.
