More on local gun show Values and sales

The largest marketing place is dealers shelves across this country with correct descriptions and honest evaluation which is not always the case on EE
Most of the time the specs are not even posted but usually a long winded story on why you should buy the gun
Thanks
Enough on this topic enjoy the day everyone
 
struff55 said:
Ias I said anyone can post ther firearm at what ever price they want that does not mean it is with in market value it is there choice
Example on EE now
Auto5 20ga magnum $2200
Auto 5 lightweight 20ga 1400$
Neither have sold
That’s not a representation of market value
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I can’t believe that light 20 hasn’t sold yet at that price. That’s a sweet little gun that rarely comes up for sale, especially at $1400. If I didn’t own one already I would buy that.
 
More a’5 all gauges model 12’s all gauges on EE with prices reductions still for sale hmm” just saying. ��
A couple of new 410’s in the mix let’s watch them
 
aka_ryan said:
Does transaction in gun show considered Business to Private or Private to Private?
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The location of a sale has nothing to do with it. If the gun is being bought from the holder of a business license as a sale from that business, it's Business to Private. If someone who owns a business is selling their personal gun to a non business, it's Private to Private.
 
What I'm trying to get at here is, are the sales during a gun show usually done as Private to Private or Business to Private? Cause some one further up mentioned there are more legitimate dealers at gun shows than individuals. Therefore, if it's done as B2P mostly, that could be a major factor for declined interest, due to the new requirement for business record keeping. I don't follow gun shows, but for both Retail and EE there is already a significant decline of interest on NR sales. Definitely longer exposure time and reduced price for NR firearms.
 
I'm thinking of a time when I was just setting out and met a pump gun owner emerging from the woods with one ruffie in hand. He'd had all kinds of grouse flushing on him and he pointed to my SxS and said "If I'd had one of those I could've had at least 3." I knew where he'd been and I believed him, but this is not to say such experiences are common around here, it's more like you get one grouse for every 5 miles walked (that's a statement I read from a New England hunter and is accurate for Eastern Ontario as well).
 
struff55 said:
EE is no indication of market values what so ever it’s gone the other way price listings that are so unrealistic there are auto 5 magnums listed at $550 as we speak and have not sold 2000 views .
If you want to see off the map prices go look on gun post lol
Find a price on the internet then pricing what one believes to b the value of the gun one wants to list is not how one evaluates works .
Also when mentions us prices in their add then for sure the price will b off the mark
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Could you tell me the calibre of the other Kimber and if it was also new? Id like to know if you have the fellows contact info. Its one of many guns ive never owned but would really like one! Thanks in advance and great deal on ur 06
 
struff55 said:
More on vintage shotguns local auction I put a bid of 225$ on a Winchster model 1912 20 ga 25” bbl full choke these are nice little guns the condition is a good patina poorly installed pad the gun will clean up nice mechanics are perfect. I can’t believe I won the auction.10 years ago you would not even b close at 450$
Oh well I’m a dinosaur Lol
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My well used but tight Mod 12 20 with 25" barrels has 2 1/2" chambers. Doesn't bother me because all my other vintage 20s have 2 1/2" chambers too. Were the chambers lengthened? Short chambered guns usually sell for a discount. I think I paid $225 at auction about 15 years ago.
 
My personal observation is that the collector market despite spiking during Covid is now crashing. Folks don’t have the extra laying around for a gun that isnt regularly used and let’s face it a model 12 is a wonderful thing but how often do people really use them.

Upland hunting is declining, too much work to keep a dog and too much walking. Field hunting waterfowl seems to even be plateauing here, when we had high deer numbers everyone was a deer hunter, then honkers became the low hanging fruit, not sure what will be next.
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
My personal observation is that the collector market despite spiking during Covid is now crashing. Folks don’t have the extra laying around for a gun that isnt regularly used and let’s face it a model 12 is a wonderful thing but how often do people really use them.

Upland hunting is declining, too much work to keep a dog and too much walking. Field hunting waterfowl seems to even be plateauing here, when we had high deer numbers everyone was a deer hunter, then honkers became the low hanging fruit, not sure what will be next.
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I agree upland hunting is declining,around here a lot of guys deer hunt and that’s it.When baiting for deer and off road vehicles,deer cameras etc became popular people stopped woods walking trading off for sitting at a blind .It s too bad as now that I m older I enjoy woods walking more than anything else and have lost patience for using a blind sitting.I rarely see anyone hunting grouse and normally during the rabbit season I have the woods to myself.Times have changed and a lot of young guys don t go hunting anymore like they use to when I was young we are slowly becoming a dying breed
 
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EE setting the market value . As week speak every vintage model 12 42 and other win shotguns have price reductions also browning shotguns all makes and models have price reductions the market is very flat and that is dew to many factors North America is in turmoil .in this country the obvious problem is leadership we basically have a dictator in charge and the way the system works he cannot be removed. The USA simply has a idiot running that country.The next few years will be tough for everyone
 
Well, blaming politicians is both easy and deserved. Of all strips. The economists are realizing, rather late I might add, this inflation is from structural issues. These rate hikes might not work as well as the central bankers hope, so they will keep piling them on. Under such conditions buying now and paying with inflated dollars makes good cents. groan.That's for a younger guy, and it's likely to be a new inexpensive shotgun. But if you are on a fixed income like me, disposable income is fast shrinking . Asset liquidation might be in order. So the older gems might get dumped for even less than now.
 
Times have been getting tougher, most noticeable over the last 3-4 years. All expenses are up, many by a huge amount and where it really shows. Food, shelter
( rent, housing), transportation (cars, trucks, gas), taxes, fees, you name it. At the same time many wages have plateaued or just barely crept up. People haven’t kept up with the true cost of living, more are feeling the pinch and falling farther behind. It isn’t rocket science, when less and less people have disposable income commerce, especially for discretionary items like recreational and sporting goods are the first cut backs. And it’s getting worse.
 
sharp shooter said:
I can’t believe that light 20 hasn’t sold yet at that price. That’s a sweet little gun that rarely comes up for sale, especially at $1400. If I didn’t own one already I would buy that.
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Thank goodness the market was dead. I took my Light Twenty out dove hunting and realized I'd be making a huge mistake to sell it, so I came back and promptly removed my ad. :)
 
nowadays older field guns need to be altered to accommodate steel shot. this does two things ,lessens any resale value, and there is an extra charge added to your purchase to have chokes opened up. Sometimes these things are a deal breaker
 
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