Mosin Nagants=brutal recoil?

Millions of men have gone to war with Mosins. Many of them averaged more than 50-60 rounds per day of continuous fire, often from prone, day in, day out.

Grow some chest hair.
 
If recoil with any rifle is a problem, get a slip on recoil pad, or one of the pads that you fasten to your shoulder.
 
tiriaq said:
If recoil with any rifle is a problem, get a slip on recoil pad, or one of the pads that you fasten to your shoulder.
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Or un-bend your limpity-limp limp wrist, take off the pink shirt, stop wearing penny loafers & going to the theater and join the rest of mainstream society as the man you COULD become :eek:
 
I had a harder time shooting my mausers off the bench, for some reason every time I pulled the trigger the stock whacked my cheek. Doesn't happen with the mosins. I also punished myself with a mosin sporter 91/30, some idiot carved the stock down to a toothpick & I swear the thing wanted to jump out of the stock with every trigger pull.
 
Season and such...

I guess it all revolves around three or four details: the model, (M-91 and long models tend to be gentler), the ammo (some heavy stuff is hotter than other), position (hunched at the bench or prone tend to give you all the "returns on your investment", accuracy AND recoil), the season (there is a whole lot of difference between a heavy winter coat and a T-shirt).
I tend to find most Mosins easy and gentle beasts. The shorties have their qualities but tend to be of a less forgiving nature. A good firing stance can help a lot, but 100 rounds of heavy stuff in a single session at the bench can be a bit tiring.
PP.
 
Go to an Army surplus store in your area and look for a WW2 Russian Winter Army coat, put it on, and admire how padded it is (and heavy). :D
 
Although I hate to rain on the parade of those who attempt to measure their appendage size by how much reciol they can withstand the Mosins expecially the carbines are brutes, well when you fire the milsurp crap they are. I really like the cost but hate the performance of that stuff.

Problem is that the kick can cause you to develop a flinch that allong with the junk ammo results in poor grouping and shooting ability. I'm not what I would consider to be a "good shooter" but I have noticed that shooting the milsurp stuff caused me to develop a flinch. I know of at least one other person on this board with the same problem although your secret is safe with me, hehe.

I have since shaken off the bonds of milsurp ammo and am now shooting reloads and the difference is amazing. Recoil is so much less that I have been able to completely change my shooting habits and am reconsidering the muzzlebrake. Better then the recoil the accuracy of the reloads is soo much better it is just more consistant. The best part is that it really doesn't cost more then the milsurp stuff. There is also the added bonus of no corrosive primers too.
 
OneBarfly said:
The last time I shot in a military shoot, there was a guy shooting his M44 beside me. The report was giving me a flinch. I had to wait for him to stop shooting. Not normally a problem, but that sound was giving me "nerves". I've since bought one for myself :D
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Next time, try shooting on port side of a guy with a Hakim!:eek:
PP.:p
 
Honestly, the myth of the mighty recoil of a nagant carbine is right up there with the myth of the no.5Mk1 Enfield's recoil. sure, they kick a (very) little bit mro than the rifle version, but nothing to be frightened of. Unless you are a wuss. Seriously. I'm not saying this in sme kind of macho way, but the difference it negligible. In fact, an M44 weights the same as a 91/30 with bayonet off. If anything, the recoil may be a little less as the bullet leaves the shorter barrel with a few fps less speed - though the report is alot louder. An M38 is a good bit lighter, but the recoil difference isn't all that great.

Shooting 174gr heavy ball will, of course, generate more recoil than the standard 147gr ball. But nevertheless, it's very manageable.
 
Wuss or not, if the difference between rifle and carbine is that carbine bruises, that is the end of the argument. I can stand pain, but I do mind to be bruised. The rifle is a kitten, the carbine is much more demanding when it comes to proper spacing of the action and stock. With the age of most M38 and M44 coming to their 60s, the stocks have dried up and wood touched metal on many of them. A small copper shim made of water pipe put between the crossbolt and the lug nut fixes most of it. But the carbine will still bruise one's shoulder after a couple dozen rounds. Been there done that, I have a Buttler Creeck pad on the carbine and she is a kitten now, feels like 91/30.
 
SVT: say what you will, but the M44 kicks no more than the 91/30. They are the same weight. Only the M38 should kick more. Of course, for many people, the additionally loud muzzle report adds to the flinch factor more than any perceived recoil difference. Flinching ruins your nice hold on the stock, hence the bruising. Flinch less, shoot pain free.
 
This is really silly, the problem if there is one, isn't the rifle so much as the ammo. Newer, better powders and primers have made things way better then what was available when the rifles were made or in active use. Most of what we see on the market is ment for GPMGs and stuff so it is gonna perform poorly in these guns.

I'll let anyone shoot the reloads that I use now and you will see the difference right away. Its not the rifle its the shooter and the ammo.
 
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