Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!

Have any one heard of fakes in USA. DO a google search. As to translation of the document simply means that this rifle modification was made in April 2012. Scopes and mounts came from Izum factory next to Kharkov.
Did not want to say anything but it is up here and anyone who speaks Russian will tell you when this modification was made.

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So, what I am seeing, is that these are either newly made scopes on period equipment, or refurbished ones, mated with possible ex snipers or high wall receiver 91.30s in April 2012 ?

If that is the case, I'm having trouble with ads saying "Original WW2" when it does not appear to be the case.

My two cents anyway.
 
Don't know about anything else but tula did not make any 91/30 other than snipers in 1944. The one pictured in the sfrc ad is also 400 number off from another sniper I had & there was no doubt of that rifles authenticity.
 
Nabs said:
So, what I am seeing, is that these are either newly made scopes on period equipment, or refurbished ones, mated with possible ex snipers or high wall receiver 91.30s in April 2012 ?

If that is the case, I'm having trouble with ads saying "Original WW2" when it does not appear to be the case.

My two cents anyway.
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Caveat emptor...the scopes and parts are still worth the price.
 
True. If they are WW2 ex snipers refitted with proper period scopes of the period, despite being recently mated together, they would still have more legitimacy than a regular model that was converted to sniper.
 
My concern is the svt PU scopes. Mine is not marked cb - and I'm aware of one other member who's scope is not marked cb.

If my svt pu scope was not calibrated to a mosin barrel, I'd feel ripped off.

IF*
 
Relax, its worth more as a svt scope and not all of them where marked.

What concerns me is that they went through the trouble of marking the barrels with the scope serial and then rebluing. I have never seen a tula with a scope number till now.
 
When we asked if anyone spoke Russian I guess we should also ask if they speak English too.

The cryptic answers are also probably something to do with the fact he has a big stockpile of repro's that he may have to sell for cheaper then the cheapest price in Kanada.

Are these books with the rifles...are these guys suggesting that Ivan is putting his signatures and stamps to make it clear its a fake (that would be pretty stupid...and stupid of Canadian dealers to put these books with the rifles)...or are these books just confirming rebuild/refinish/inspection of rifles and scopes?

Can we get an unbiased Russian to translate for us?
 
Does it really matter when the "parts" were mated together? These are referb war time rifles built with correct and original war time scopes. I'm happy to pay $600 for a rifle built somewhat correctly vs a total fake for $500.
 
I guess worst case scenario is we have original scopes that were mated with a rifle in April of this year and that is when they stamped the receiver with the scope serial number.
But what many are perhaps hoping for is that the scope and rifle was paired decades ago. Post WW2 is fine as these were service sniper rifles for a long long time. Maybe it made it's way to another conflict. At the very least we would like to say this was a Soviet sniper rifle, issued to troops at some time.
But until someone comes up with some concrete proof and not just heresay, and as long as they have nothing to gain or lose, then we won't get a straight answer.
For me, i am taking my new rifle to the range on Friday to see how it shoots besides my Enfield T.
 
Sledge are you trying to offend my double degree and masters degree. Two degrees in Canada and masters in England.
As to being bias I don't really care about those fakes. I knew that those were fake and this is why I did not buy them in Ukraine. As to legitimacy of being ex-sniper. If they went through trouble of creating scopes how hard do you think it is to put numbers on the side of barrel. Especially on the factory that was doing it since 1941.
Smart one tell me please why would I drop my price when i already said that mine are Repro.This is a small lot that will be sold to all the people that don't know how to differentiate from Original to Repro. Fakes will be gone but repro will be here for a long time.

I will still be here for a long time and I would not screw up my reputation for a few hundred dollars

Al


sledge said:
When we asked if anyone spoke Russian I guess we should also ask if they speak English too.

The cryptic answers are also probably something to do with the fact he has a big stockpile of repro's that he may have to sell for cheaper then the cheapest price in Kanada.

Are these books with the rifles...are these guys suggesting that Ivan is putting his signatures and stamps to make it clear its a fake (that would be pretty stupid...and stupid of Canadian dealers to put these books with the rifles)...or are these books just confirming rebuild/refinish/inspection of rifles and scopes?

Can we get an unbiased Russian to translate for us?
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put together fakes ive been hade ,i knew it was to good to be true no more original than the referbs already on the market, buyer beware.Just like i stated at the beging of this thread only now im 778 into a put together repro pu 91/30 moison, yha i feel had
 
I should receive mine shortly. I paid a bit less then the repro i bought 2 years ago, the rifle will have war time scope and mount but i didnt really need another put together.... Its shame if the dealers have been mislead on thoses, i said "IF" i dont want to offend anyone. Still hoping they are not just clones:(
Joce
 
From some responses it appears some are alluding to knowing more - but don't go into any detail. The milsurp forum is for people to share knowledge. Or at least that is what I thought.

The selling section, the EE...not for learning, it is for selling. Buyer beware. I get that.

I was wrong to insult someone's writing ability.

I just have a bit of a problem with anyone that likely knows the details but kept quiet for a few days - then seemingly snickers afterwards. With friends like this....
 
yha i think your right about someone knowing and being quite then laughing someone else expense after the fact.I notice that the price of these keep going up and down from buyer to buyer.One day they are 650 then they are 689, tula 50 more than a ishvesk and so on,and even 1100 with import stampes when they first came on the market then over night they went to half that price.Should be interesting to see when they were put together and where,aprial sounds right
 
A review I found from GunBoards.com
linked from 7.62x54r.net Forums

h ttp://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?205899-R-Guns-PU-sniper

The ones here are from the same batch of rifles that went to the U.S.


Vic
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Well everybody I had a chance to get my rar end over to R-Guns this weekend and see what was up with all the buzz about the PU snipers. I was fortunate enough to have an invite to inspect the rifles and give my opinion. It was also a very fruitful meeting in that I got the tour and had a chance to sit down with the owner and discuss a business relationship between R-Guns and Gunboards that should prove to be beneficial to both parties and our membership. I can say that we did reach an agreement and R-Guns has graciously accepted a position as a sponsor of Gunboards.com. (big round of applause please )

I had a chance to see the facility and the rifles that R-Guns has for sale and the selection is nice and the quality was excellent. Roger tells me that his passion is black rifles and that was evident and his selection was very nice. Along with these rifles there is an expansive assortment of ammo and surplus rifles to be had at R-Guns. Primary amount these are Mosin Nagant's in the m/44 and 91/30 types as well as the much sought after 91/30 PU models. In addition there are 1895 Nagant pistols and Russian captured K-98 Mauser's in several grades ranging from good with peened markings to very good to excellent and markings intact. You need to check into the web site to see what other items are there as it would be too much to list here.

Now onto the PU sniper rifles. I had an opportunity to look at many of the rifles that are for sale to you the collector and member of Gunboards.com
I was also fortunate enough to actually look at the rifles being unpacked and marked with the import markings that are required by ATF law and that was eye opening.

I spent the afternoon inspecting and sorting through some rifles that were unpacked from the original military storage crates in R-Guns facility. The crates were wire banded and lead sealed to prevent unauthorized opening and tampering during storage or transit. The crates were also fully military marked and and nailed and screwed shut. When opened the contents were encapsulated in oil paper and a desiccant paper for long term storage. The accessories like slings and pouches for the rifles were included one for each rifle.

My first impression of the rifles was that they were in very nice condition and I looked at them a bit suspiciously. But after looking at more and more they all were in the same well cared for condition. Both rifle's of Tula make and Izhvesk make were included in the appropriate ratio that one would expect. All of the rifles I looked at had matching optics. The Izhvesk guns had the scope serial number added to the barrel shank-either as its original number or as a later replacement with the original lined out and the new scope number of the replacement unit placed above it. Some rifles even had three scope numbers! The Izhvesk rifle had for the most part all Izhvesk made mounts with a variety of common scope makers spread across the gamut. The rifles for the most part carried original wood and had nice Izhvesk cartouches present. Some carried the replacement stocks we are accustomed to when stock replacement was necessary and those of course carried the familiar box and slash proof marking. Some rifle were in refinished stocks of a darker shellac that had a very attractive look to them with a rich grain pattern.

The Tula rifles I observed where again properly marked and in the correct date ranges. The guns in this series differed as they should in that the scope mounts were serial numbered to the rifle with a Cyrillic prefix and number. Most if not all were two or three digit serial numbers as expected in series runs of 999. With the scope being mated to the rifle via the scope mount and an EP serial number on the receiver the serial number of the scope itself is lined out. Both makers mounts showed signs of a witness mark indicating proper scope rotation settings in the mount. The Tula rifles I examined all fell in the typical range of 43 and 44 as did the Izhvesk rifles. The stocks on the Tula rifles for the most part carried Tula cartouches as well dated to the rifles date. Stock proofing was prolific on many stocks.

The optics on all rifles appeared to be in good order and clear. It is hard to tell though when one is wearing rubber gloves to check when the optics have oil paper inside the leather scope caps to create a seal and sometimes oil gets on the lens'. I would say that I saw only a few scopes that lacked finish on them or mounts that lacked less then 80% or more bluing. This was a bonus for me actually as many of the rifles did not look like little if any refurbishment had been necessary and none looked heavily worked over. A very positive sign of authenticity in my book. Fake rifles don't come in military crates and with less then 100% blue on them and not one scope or mount I examined out of many was not authentic. All seemed to my eye to be authentic rifles.


Are these rifles refurbished? Yes they are in some degree or fashion. These rifles are typical rifles that were placed into long term storage after being rebuilt to front line service grade condition-some more then others. These are in all my years of collecting Russian sniper rifle the first rifles I have ever examined in all of the imports that had matching serial number scopes to the rifles. Some crates had rifles in them with mismatched scopes and when removed and placed on a table with the rifles they correct rifle could be found in that crate to recreate the match. I did a lot of that during the day with the friend I was with to keep the proper scope package with the proper rifle. R-Gun's also did a lot of that in making sure each rifle when import marked had its proper scope replaced before being repacked in the crate so they would remain proper. Kudos to R-Gun for caring about the collector and keeping these rifles together as they should be. Its not an easy thing and they went the extra mile to assure that for you guys as it would have been a lot easier to just whip them off and put them back on in a hap hazard way.

It is my opinion that these rifles are a very rare chance for you the collector to get an authentic PU sniper rifle in the condition they were put away in for later use. These are not in my opinion purposely built guns that are reproductions made for the collector market in the US. These are the real deal guys. These are also incredibly desirable with the matching scope mounts/scope package to the rifle-the first time these have ever been offered in the configuration or shape. As a collector of these kinds of rifles I can tell you with out hesitation that I personally purchased several of the rifles for my own personal collection. I was that pleased with them.
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Also from GunBoards on the enclosed manual

h ttp://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?276726-Anyone-else-get-a-manual-quot-with-their-91-30-sniper-or-er-Hunting-Rifle

As I have read elsewhare, inspected in May or April of 2012 for transfer out of the country.

Anyone else get a 'manual" with their 91/30 sniper or er Hunting Rifle
For all I can remember from the heat everyone could have gotten one and mentioned it but I don't remember it. Did everyone get a "manual" with their PU sniper. In any case I thought it interesting that my PU was inspected for transfer out on May16,2012 and I got it right at 2 months later. I guess I always thought that the transfer through customs etc and shipping would have taken a fuzz bit longer than 65 days from packaging in Russia to attempted first delivery last Friday. I donot know maybe because it is weapons the Russians on their end pushed it straight through to the ship and then it went for immediate delivery to the USA. I assume these came by sea and were not flown? In any case I find the Russian to English translation in technical manuals and the linguistics involved funny. Anyway I assume I am not the only one to get a manual for my "Hunting Rifle".
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Well it appears the $600 Mosin sniper deal is likely the sum of it's parts.

What is an original scope and mount worth btw????

I wish the Russian exporters did not stamp the scope serial numbers on the receivers. Why? Because now with all these in the market who will ever be able to tell an authentic one from this new batch.

It will be impossible to ever prove an original is actually legit, and will likewise ensure prices for Mosin snipers stay soft. Another sniper rifle that suffers from soft prices due to all the put togethers and fakes is the M1-D.

If mine does not shoot like a sniper it will be on the EE. I don't collect scopes. :(

From Russia With Love...nyet!
 
sledge said:
Well it appears the $600 Mosin sniper deal is likely the sum of it's parts.

What is an original scope and mount worth btw????

I wish the Russian exporters did not stamp the scope serial numbers on the receivers. Why? Because now with all these in the market who will ever be able to tell an authentic one from this new batch.

It will be impossible to ever prove an original is actually legit, and will likewise ensure prices for Mosin snipers stay soft. Another sniper rifle that suffers from soft prices due to all the put togethers and fakes is the M1-D.

If mine does not shoot like a sniper it will be on the EE. I don't collect scopes. :(

From Russia With Love...nyet!
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What am I missing? It sounds like these are exactly what we all thought they were, and what the dealers that actually carry them are advertising them as. Refurbed snipers.
These appear to be a clear cut above the repro snipers, while obviously not as collectable as an original unrefurbed sniper. As for the way you'll be able to tell what is an original, unrefurbed sniper.. well.. it will be an original, unrefurbed sniper. ;)
 
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