Mossberg 4x4 270 - Worth it?

I ran through the gamut of entry level rifles for the most part, pre-accutrigger Axis, American, AB3, 783, and Howa/Vanguard.
Howa/Vanguard is by far the best of them, nothing budget about them....no corners cut, well made traditional style rifle. They are sadly not $400-$500 they were just a few years ago. For a long action cartridge they are tits...bit big n heavy for short action, but you won't wear it out. Very Happy purchase there, so much I have 5 if them.
For cheap/functional/accurate, I hate to say it but the Axis when they were sub $300 gets the nod. Ugly, every corner cut to make them, and not a shred of ergonomics put into them...but at the price and range of chamberings (mine was a 7-08) I could enjoy it because it was stupid accurate.
783 is still around $400-$500 if you hit a sale at $400 is a good value of "cheap quality". Some corners cut, but mostly a solid, accurate, many years out of it rifle. A happy purchase there.
The American was my biggest disappointment, basically an Axis with ####tier fit/finish at twice the price. I didn't like anything about it at all, very overpriced for what it is. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
AB3's I got at $500, one wood, one syn, overall fit/finish is excellent, it's accurate, comes factory glass bedded, minimal cost savings done save for the plastic trigger. It's not a real drawback however based on how it functions with the sear, not going to break it for sure. Another happy purchase there.

Handled the Mossberg, would not buy, very sad piece of kit.

Most of my purchases have been older guns recently...a nice HVA or Parker Hale in 30'06 will do everything you need and excellent condition examples can still be found for $300-$500 depending on model.
 
Hitzy said:
I ran through the gamut of entry level rifles for the most part, pre-accutrigger Axis, American, AB3, 783, and Howa/Vanguard.
Howa/Vanguard is by far the best of them, nothing budget about them....no corners cut, well made traditional style rifle. They are sadly not $400-$500 they were just a few years ago. For a long action cartridge they are tits...bit big n heavy for short action, but you won't wear it out. Very Happy purchase there, so much I have 5 if them.
For cheap/functional/accurate, I hate to say it but the Axis when they were sub $300 gets the nod. Ugly, every corner cut to make them, and not a shred of ergonomics put into them...but at the price and range of chamberings (mine was a 7-08) I could enjoy it because it was stupid accurate.
783 is still around $400-$500 if you hit a sale at $400 is a good value of "cheap quality". Some corners cut, but mostly a solid, accurate, many years out of it rifle. A happy purchase there.
The American was my biggest disappointment, basically an Axis with ####tier fit/finish at twice the price. I didn't like anything about it at all, very overpriced for what it is. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
AB3's I got at $500, one wood, one syn, overall fit/finish is excellent, it's accurate, comes factory glass bedded, minimal cost savings done save for the plastic trigger. It's not a real drawback however based on how it functions with the sear, not going to break it for sure. Another happy purchase there.

Handled the Mossberg, would not buy, very sad piece of kit.

Most of my purchases have been older guns recently...a nice HVA or Parker Hale in 30'06 will do everything you need and excellent condition examples can still be found for $300-$500 depending on model.
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That's very interesting. I was at a local shop today and had a look at a Vanguard (v1) Fleur de Lys for 650$ (I believe).

With a Bushnell Legend 3-9. Also saw the Burris Mio dot 4.5-14 for 399$. That would push my budget but may be worth it. Need to investigate.

They also had a Rem 783 with a walnut stock available in 308 win with a mounted Tasco 3-9 (not sure of the specific model) for 634$. I guess I'd be ready to go for now.

I think I'll go the Vanguard route. Preferably the v2.

Now on to caliber, the sales guy recommended to get it in 30-06. It seems like every older sales guy recommend the same thing... 30-06. I realize it's tried and true and versatile enough for most things. Right now it's deer I'm interested in. Next year not sure, maybe caribou soon enough.

However, for the range time i'm not sure it's for me. I'd like to spend a lot of time at the range, and don't think I'd enjoy that much. But then again, I'm not sure. Im still new at this. Need to look at ballistics a little more. My instincts tell me to go with 308. It is plenty versatile and easy to find.

270 win would be my next choice. For more range time than hunting, the flatter trajectory would help me transition to longer distances.

All that to say, Weatherby Vanguard 2, laminated stock, with a 300-400$ scope. Maybe that Burris 4.5-14.
 
Nikuser said:
That's very interesting. I was at a local shop today and had a look at a Vanguard (v1) Fleur de Lys for 650$ (I believe).

With a Bushnell Legend 3-9. Also saw the Burris Mio dot 4.5-14 for 399$. That would push my budget but may be worth it. Need to investigate.

They also had a Rem 783 with a walnut stock available in 308 win with a mounted Tasco 3-9 (not sure of the specific model) for 634$. I guess I'd be ready to go for now.

I think I'll go the Vanguard route. Preferably the v2.

Now on to caliber, the sales guy recommended to get it in 30-06. It seems like every older sales guy recommend the same thing... 30-06. I realize it's tried and true and versatile enough for most things. Right now it's deer I'm interested in. Next year not sure, maybe caribou soon enough.

However, for the range time i'm not sure it's for me. I'd like to spend a lot of time at the range, and don't think I'd enjoy that much. But then again, I'm not sure. Im still new at this. Need to look at ballistics a little more. My instincts tell me to go with 308. It is plenty versatile and easy to find.

270 win would be my next choice. For more range time than hunting, the flatter trajectory would help me transition to longer distances.

All that to say, Weatherby Vanguard 2, laminated stock, with a 300-400$ scope. Maybe that Burris 4.5-14.
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Just get the 308 with a 1:10 twist barrel, it's all you'll need. The 308 30/06 debate has been beat to death and is only won by opinion......
For a guy like you (based on your post) you stand nothing to gain from the 06' and you don't reload to reap any possible benefit.

In my experience I've had factory 165gr 308 ammo shoot at or above the same fps as factory 165gr 30-06 ammo. Same brand, yes different rifles, but that's enough to show there's little difference to the average shooter/hunter.
 
Nikuser said:
What would be your opinion about 308 vs 270 Win?
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I like both,

The broader availability of bullet weights (110-220) for the 308 appeals to me. It's more of dual purpose range/hunting chambering.
The 270 is an excellent hunting cartridge.

Nothing wrong with the 06' either.

In the real world (not the ballistic chart dimension) they all do about the same thing.
 
Nikuser said:
Thanks for your input.

Junk, but worth 400$... Noted!

Although, I've heard the same comments regarding 783s and Savage, and others. I realize they don't compare to higher end quality rifles, but I'm still never sure what to go by. A simple comment like "junk", with no explanation, is about as useful as... something not useful.

Does any one here own a 4x4 or have something a little more constructive to add. I noticed it is a pretty old model, no longer in production. In fact it was replaced by the Patriot line. Which seems to be relatively popular, as far as entry level hunting rifles.

I've seen most of the low end models:
Remington 783
Mossberg Patriot
Ruger American
Savage Axis
I believe CZ has a lower end offering also. I'm sure I'm also forgetting some.

I have not seen a 4x4 and this is the reason I'm here asking all you experienced hunters.

Like most, I'm looking for one rifle that will do it all, be accurate, reliable, easy to maintain and hold together over time. Something that can handle a day at the range up to 300 yards, and a walk in the woods searching for deer for less than 1000$.

Asking for too much, obviously, but I rather ask now and get as many options as possible before getting into it.
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I own one in 300 WM. It's not a high end rifle by any means, but it is very accurate, and I've never had any issues with feeding or anything else. Mine does not have the LBA trigger, so I had to do some smoothing and tinkering with the trigger, but I'm very satisfied. Just remember that you're buying an entry level rifle.
 
4-12x40 Nikon Prostaff is $250 on sale at Cabela's frequently, I prefer the 3-9x40 for ~$200 but you seem to want higher power. I don't hate Burris, but they are not giving you anything over the lower priced Nikons glass wise. If you want to spend $400 get an entry-level Leupold, it will serve you better.
 
#30... That's an interesting point. I have not looked through these scopes yet. I'll have a look.
Last time I was at the range, I was shooting 3/4" groups at 100y with my instructors setup. That was with a 3-9 scope. Maybe I'll spendy 400$ on a higher end Nikon or lower end leupold.

Thanks again.
 
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SuperCub said:
No way someone would go wrong with either the 270, 30-06 or 308. All very good choices.
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- The 30-06 offers slightly higher velocity over the 308 and is a bit better with heavier bullets.
- The 270 offers higher velocity with lighter bullets and slightly flatter ballistics.
- The 308 usually comes in a smaller/lighter pkg with somewhat lower velocities.
- The difference between the three isn't very much at all for normal practical hunting and selection becomes personal preference. Ammo for all three is plentiful and everywhere. Pick one based on the the rifle you like and forget it.
 
The prices on the S2 are all over the map.
The stainless examples are mid $800.00
Plus yer usually taxes and shipping tawss it up to ten brown ones
oar a g-note in t'uther terms.

And hawt linking nawn site spawnsors.....................:rey2
 
The Mossberg rifles would be entry level at the best (maybe worst) and the combo packages feature a scope that is questionable.
When you say your were unable to determine the model of the Tasco that would be similar whether a Bushnell, Weaver or BSA plus a host of what may be off shore knock offs.
I have yet to hear of anyone rebarreling one which would be a question best left to a qualified gunsmith.
They are cheap for reason. Perhaps a person wants to see if they have an interest in hunting.
As to getting one with target quality one would be sceptical. The entry level scope will not withstand a lot of adjustment.
A little more money for a notable make of rifle and a better quality scope will at least retain some value if your expectations are not met.
 
Nikuser said:
This seems like a mistake. One that I may go take advantage of.

Weatherby Vanguard 2 in 270 Win for 599$ and it's in stock???

https://www.sail.ca/en/catalog/product/view/id/204377/



Don't the V2 usual for for 800$ + ???
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The S2 basic blued model is between $600-$700, that one with laminate and detachable mag is a limited run, it will be heavy with that laminate stock, but it's a good price.
 
I think I'm sold. I'm at the store now picking one up in 270 win.

Now I'm looking into a simple starter scope.

So, I finally bit the bullet. Pun intended. I got the Weatherby Vanguard 2 special Edition gray laminated stock in 270 with a Redfield 3 to 9 by 40 Acuramge scope. Mounted on Leupold rings and bases. Now I need to get a cleaning kit the carrying case the safe place to put it at home couple of boxes of Winchester or Remington rounds 150 grain and some time at the range. The adventure begins.

Paid 600 for the rifle 339 for the scope. I wanted to get the 4 X 12 Redfield but 400 was pushing my budget a little too far.
 
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