Most Abusable handgun

novega said:
I don't think the OP was asking your opinion on whether or not you like the characteristics of Glocks or any other DA pistol.:p

He asked "What handgun seems to be able to take the most abuse?
Like being shot for a few thousand rounds without being cleaned or oiled?"

I'd say the GLOCKS are pretty tough, personal anecdotes praising the "to hell and back" qualities of this pistol are are all over the web.
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"To hell and back" would be Sigs motto just look and the outside of most cases and that is for a reason cause the've been there and the choice of any special Ops around the world. this is just my stupid opinion though, cause I own a few sigs and no Glocks
 
I love the SIG P226, and have carried it as a secondary. and during that time fired thousands of rounds through mine and witnessed many, many rounds fired by those I worked with through their Sigs and I have seen FTF and FTE (and not during the breaking in process). All mechanical objects will fail, some more than others, none are perfect. the Glock pistol is a great gun (look HOW many LEA and others carry it however look WHO carries or WHO has carried the SIG-SEALS, JTF2, Delta,GIGN, SAS, NZ SAS, TRU, OPP, etc etc etc-- there is a reason so many Elite, Special, Tactical Teams carry it.
 
When I saw the thread title, the first thought that popped into my head was that all the Glock-owning noobs here were going to pounce on it like a pack of cougars on a handcuffed gigolo. Looks like I was right on the mark. It can't be a coincidence that 90% of posters who said 'Glock' have 2008 and 2009 join dates. These people are likely quite new to guns and don't have much experience with anything other than Glock, which was the first (and likely only) centerfire pistol they bought.

This is how the Glock myth gets spread around.
 
capp325,

You're bang on, on this one. It's like the M4 / M16 / C8 / C7 crowd. Most have never used or been issued anything else.

The Glock is a great gun. Germany's GSG-9 uses the Glock (German National Team using a non-German gun go figure, it must be a good product {They also use the Swiss Arms 551 by the way}). That being said the client list for Sig Sauer pistols is a little more extensive and the US Secret Service was left out on previous post.

Since I'm such a bullxxiter, I'm still waiting for timothydgordon to provide details on a more absolute pistol test other than the DHS test. I just hope it's something more than a gun magazine writer talking about one gun he was given and then did his own test and how great he is ect..ect..

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
capp325,

You're bang on, on this one. It's like the M4 / M16 / C8 / C7 crowd. Most have never used or been issued anything else.

The Glock is a great gun. Germany's GSG-9 uses the Glock (German National Team using a non-German gun go figure, it must be a good product {They also use the Swiss Arms 551 by the way}). That being said the client list for Sig Sauer pistols is a little more extensive and the US Secret Service was left out on previous post.

Since I'm such a bullxxiter, I'm still waiting for timothydgordon to provide details on a more absolute pistol test other than the DHS test. I just hope it's something more than a gun magazine writer talking about one gun he was given and then did his own test and how great he is ect..ect..

Rich
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Which HK did they run in the test? Ive put mags covered in swamp mud and grit into my USP and still gotten it to fire issue free. I think alot of the modern "German or Austrian guns" with quality FMJ ammo will pretty much last a life time.

The test are very subjective anyways. Sand tests are great- if your in the desert- not so imortant if your in the arctic. Corrosion tests are great if your gun is at sea with you, not so important in say Arizona unless your dripping sweat all over it.

Also do you really plan on running over your gun with a truck or maybe dropping out of a helicopter?

So much of those tests are just pointless s**t with little real world meaning.
 
#1bcshooter said:
Wouldn't own a Glock even if it was given to me
I'd sell it & buy another SIG!
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Glock is ok, everybody should have one- as long as its not your only gun. I had a Gen 1 17 for years then recently got a 20. They are what they are, a relatively cheap and functional firearm.
 
USP said:
Glock is ok, everybody should have one- as long as its not your only gun. I had a Gen 1 17 for years then recently got a 20. They are what they are, a relatively cheap and functional firearm.
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Thank you for a refreshing opinion USP.
1911's have a proven track record in two world wars,Korea, Vietnam, and countless small wars and police actions.
I do not know how one can improve on this, real world endorsement.

Now I am going to eat crow and post what is issued to many foreign police/military units:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/DGAAAForeigners.html

Note: It's not totally a Glock world, there are plenty Sigs, HKs & USPs out there in use today.
I notice both the SAS and USN SEALs both use Sig/Sauers. Our own RCMP are issued S&W 5946s.
 
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You guys are mostly talking about brands - Glock, Sig etc. but if one specific model of handgun is chosen for it's durability then it must be the Heckler & Koch Mark 23.

The torture tests it went through during the design process is beyond what any other gun went through, and it's built like a tank. Open it up and it's mechanicals are huge, even compared to other HKs.

I bet this gun would outlast every single other pistol you put it up against.
 
capp325 said:
When I saw the thread title, the first thought that popped into my head was that all the Glock-owning noobs here were going to pounce on it like a pack of cougars on a handcuffed gigolo. Looks like I was right on the mark. It can't be a coincidence that 90% of posters who said 'Glock' have 2008 and 2009 join dates. These people are likely quite new to guns and don't have much experience with anything other than Glock, which was the first (and likely only) centerfire pistol they bought.

This is how the Glock myth gets spread around.
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New to this web site? Yes. New to guns? Not necessarily. Some of us do more shooting than typing. :D

I won't jump on the Glock bandwagon.What I will say is that a handgun with tight fitting parts will fail under most torture test/real life military situations. Seeing as 99% of posters on this site are not legally allowed to use their gun outside of an approved range, I'd say the real life testing of most is rather dismal.

Think of AK-47's compared to M-16. Have a look at the Mauser system compared to a Blaser R93 for instance.

If I were to be in battle in some godforsaken place in the middle east,etc, I'd take a Glock over a Wilson Combat any day.

I wouldn't call a Glock cheap, they're inexpensive. Most parts interchange even with Glocks in different calibers and there's no fitting required. Had Mr.Browning invented the design, it would be the #1 pistol in North America, bar none.

BTW, I only own one Glock and quite a few other makes. The Glock is a very rugged,simple and durable weapon. Are they pretty? Most would think not, myself included. :)
 
I like 1911's and have great faith in 'em. Heck, I would want one if tshtf.

The thing about glock is that any one who has seen a gun in a movie can work one.

All you gotta do is pull the trigger.

Sigs are nice but two glocks$ for every sig$? hmmm
 
K-2 said:
You guys are mostly talking about brands - Glock, Sig etc. but if one specific model of handgun is chosen for it's durability then it must be the Heckler & Koch Mark 23.

The torture tests it went through during the design process is beyond what any other gun went through, and it's built like a tank. Open it up and it's mechanicals are huge, even compared to other HKs.

I bet this gun would outlast every single other pistol you put it up against.
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:rolleyes: Yeah, ok. You should be a sales rep for HK. The Mk23 is nearly the same size as an MP5K and the testing was not far beyond what other pistols have endured.

TDC
 
I've seen the Glock and Sig take some brutal abuse, and ask for more.

I have seen the HK take some abuse and fail. I still don't care, I do and will own an HK no matter what.

Does anyone have the results/video/text of the HK VS GLOCK VS SIG VS S&W VS SPRINGFIELD VS ect.. That is NOT done by a gun magazine? I want to see the results of the DOD testing, what they were testing for, what guns failed doing what.
Didn't think so.
 
Obviously, you guys are all armatures!:p

It would be Tokarev TT-33 by a mile. No second in sight.

The only handgun that you can use to hammer your tent's pins with it and not feel bad, and be sure that it would still shoot! How many of you can do that with your precious Sigs and Glocks and HKs?:D
 
TDC said:
:rolleyes: Yeah, ok. You should be a sales rep for HK. The Mk23 is nearly the same size as an MP5K and the testing was not far beyond what other pistols have endured.

TDC
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I have eight guns as of today and each one of them is a different make. I have three handguns, which includes a Colt 1911, a Glock 17 and a HK Mark 23. My future purchase list includes a Sig 229, Beretta M9, Ruger Mark 3, and Smith & Wesson 686. So you can see that I have no particular brand loyalty.

The MK23 is big, but that is not one of the criteria for this discussion. The question is which gun can take the most abuse and still keep shooting.

The MK23 was developed for the most elite units of the US military, so it meets the strictest standards of durability.

One of the most thoroughly tested handguns in history, the MK23/Mark 23 project originated in 1991 when HK began development for the U.S. Special Operations Command, the organization that directs the activities of America's most elite military units, including the Navy SEALs and the Army Special Forces.

During testing, MK 23 pistols met the most stringent operational and accuracy requirements ever demanded of a combat handgun. Endurance testing demonstrated a service life of over 30,000 rounds of +P ammunition. To meet the reliability requirement, the pistol had to demonstrate a minimum of 2,000 mean rounds between stoppages (MRBS) with both M1911 ball and +P ammunition. All pistols exceeded the 2000 MRBS with an average of 6000 MRBS.

The tests which had to be successfully passed included the following:

* 30,000-round endurance firing test with +P ammunition
* Tests at extreme temperatures +163,4°F/-58°F
* 96-h salt spray test mist test
* Sand, dust, sludge test
* Harshest drop tests
* Maximum accuracy and precision
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The internal components of the gun are oversized to make them far stronger than a normal gun. Here's a comparison with a HK USP Tactical:

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One of the main features of the barrel is the polygonal rifling. This allows greater accuracy while making the barrel much easier to clean. So the gun keeps shooting with minimal or no cleaning.

I can go on and on, but the bottom line is that this is the toughest pistol that HK has ever produced and it could probably beat any individual model of Glock, Sig or 1911 in a head to head comparison.
 
Rugerman said:
:agree::agree::agree::agree:

Just substitute any Ruger model you want in place of GP100. (Just like the Glock guy said- substitute any # or model you want.) I would place Glocks second after RUGERS!! But a distant second!!!
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i support too, nothing can beat thoses old but excellent GP100
if i had only one gun to bet my life on for the rest of my life, it will be a GP100, GLOCK 2nd.
Some french law enforcement have (some still) used the manurhin revolver long time after most of agency have switched to semi-auto
 
Brutus said:
bearkilr said:
If I were to be in battle in some godforsaken place in the middle east,I'd take a Glock over a Wilson Combat any day.
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The armed forces of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and Algeria, do not use Glocks.
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Ok first of all, Algeria isn't the Middle East...it's North Africa.

Israeli National Police
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...and Military both use Glocks.
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But you're right, the Jordanian military still uses the BHP from the look of things BUT His Majesty's Special Security uses Glock.
 
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