I had a BSA International Martini action that shot way better than I could. (i.e., bench rest it would make one ragged hole at 25m, offhand prone I could keep it in the "Inner" ring at 100 (where the rings were V, 5, Inner, Magpie, 2, and miss)) It was so old it didn't have a "Mk" anything on it.
Most Accurate 22 LR iv ever shot in my life that did not Cost Much
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Had two Cz 452 varmits, sold the one with the too pretty wood. Very accurate. Most accurate for me though is my Remington 513t, the limitation is a too large front globe insert( only have the one insert), and the nut behind the trigger.
They used to make awesomely accurate guns back in the good old days, and I'd see the gopher crisp as day over the sights and watch it twitch its last. Nowdays I can see both sights at least, and if I swap glasses I can make out a gopher downrange instead, and they just don't make rifles or ammunition like they used to anymore.
The old ammo had a high variation in volicity. CIL was quite poor over a crony. I did well with some old CIL rifles and some martinis. I do have Rem 541 (sc and t) that shoot well. Many found memories of shooting gophers with a Ranger (cooey 75) and thought it was very accurate.
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My Norinco JW-15A 13" is so stupidly accurate for the $200 I paid for it. It easily outshoots any other .22 I've owned, and has done so with a 4x Simmons that just crapped out. I can't imagine ever owning a more accurate gun for less money, even adjusted for inflation. Hell, I can't imagine a gun costing 2x, adjusted for inflation even competing. I wouldn't trade it for any other gun regardless of price. Once you find something like that you hold onto it. I can ring a 6" gong all day without missing a shot at 140-ish yards in moderate winds, once I know the hold--even when the Simmons broke. The trigger is hilariously good. Some guys have been like "oh it's a Norinco, I dunno..." but I let them shoot it and before they've even seen the group they're praising the trigger. After they see the group they usually offer to buy it. I would happily trade my Savage MK II FVSS and keep this one over it, because it always outshoots it and is easier to bush bum with.
Literally the only complaint is that if you hold it under the mag you induce a jam. I stopped doing that and no issues. I also ruined a bathtub getting the cosmoline off it, but that's obviously on me, not the little gun. It sounds dumb for a Norinco, and I own guns that cost like 10x the price, but it's the no.1 gun I want to pass on to my hypothetical kids.
Literally the only complaint is that if you hold it under the mag you induce a jam. I stopped doing that and no issues. I also ruined a bathtub getting the cosmoline off it, but that's obviously on me, not the little gun. It sounds dumb for a Norinco, and I own guns that cost like 10x the price, but it's the no.1 gun I want to pass on to my hypothetical kids.
Toz 17 with 9x $40 dollar scope from amazon. 1/8 to 1/4 inch group out of 50m with regular Blazer ammo. 6-7 inch groups from 100-120m with wind once I figure out holdover. Ive shot from 150m but man, that thing has about 27 inches of bullet drop lol I put small white paper plate on the post 27 inches above center of my 24x24 target, aim at the plate and damn thing hits the target.
Who, me? What are the distances people usually shooting from? And I dont mean $2-3000 rifles �� Cheap stuff. I watched many videos of people firing .22’s past 50m and I thought I sucked compared to them. Dudes doing 1 hole “groups” with the same rifle.Friend owns a property, I spend 1-2 weeks there some times. Pick very calm day and only shoot my .22. Ill take some pictures Im out there next time.
Thats my Toz. https://freeimage.host/i/S4qzbt
Rimfire is usually 50m/y, you can do 100 if you just want to be braggadocios online. An MOA is an MOA no matter how far you are, and if we are taking wind out of the equation there's not too much difference between these 2 relatively "close" ranges.
Yea, I kind of noticed that about the wind when it comes to a .22. I shot .22 a lot back home in school. We actually had Toz but not mag fed ones and shot indoors from close range. Been here since 98 and it was really stupid of me to get into it only last year. Mostly milsurp rifles and pistols. Traded a Toz on here, put a scope on it and after maybe 3000 rounds Im getting some half decent results. I even measured the distance and built a target stand at 150 over there. Hey, Covid lockdowns, not much to do but shoot and .22 is the cheapest option lol. Sometimes score man sized target but those a are fluke shots. I have no issues at 50. At 100 it starts getting challenging even with mild wind but Im guessing I should stick with 50 and keep practicing from that distance. I just started walking further and further back, trying to hit target thinking in my head “7.62x39/54r, 7.92x57JS” all that stuff I usually shoot. Again, I shoot from a home made test I built out of 2x8. I was also surprised that I get 6-7 inch drop at 100 and 27 inches at 150. When Im there if Im not shooting or working on the property Im reading/studying tables or watching people do crazy things with such a small round. Got into fixed barrel .22 pistols too. Love it. This one is from my friend’s scoped (3-4x) Anschutz rifle from 50s-60s that belonged to his grandfather. Rifle and scope is OG. 100m. Top left, top right to get a hang of the distance. Last 3 on the bottom middle. Not a cheap rifle though. https://freeimage.host/i/S4orwN
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Brag eh? Most ranges in NS are only 100yards or meters, so with 22 there is some what of a challenge as wind effects rimfire way more than centerfire.
Again, I just got into it. Could always learn! I shoot on a huge property where its just me. Open field with the catcher (berm). Nobody else. Good exercise to drop Covid pounds. I fire 3 and walk to the target and back. All day long. Some days I did 10+ km lol. Spotting scope is not helping much especially when its hot. Air is moving… Have to walk. Im used to larger calibers so getting used to different ballistics shooting .22 outdoors at longer ranges. First I was just shooting like we did in school at an indoor range. Now Im learning to look at 3 things at the same time trying to catch the right moment. On a windy day I learned to watch grass move in front of me, in front of target and keep rifle of target at the same time before I pull the trigger. Am I heading in right direction with .22’s? Im talking about 100m here. With a Toz rifle and regular Blazer ammo.
Wait till you shoot 300m... It's actually easy in good conditions even with a cheap gun. Its the ammo and a 'real scope' that can dial the hold-over that are expensive, 2x bricks of Center-X costs more than I paid for my original gun. My cheap Savage FV-SR shoots Center-X @ 300m with about 16.5 -16.8MIL (about 200", 16.5' of hold over)
Pretty well every CRPS/Northern rimfire 'PRS match' the shooters engage targets out past 200-300m+! There are usually kids and pretty well brand new shooters also participating with 'production class' rifles... Savage mark 2s, CZ 455/457s, Tikka T1Xs, Ruger 10-22s, Remington 597s etc..
With rimfire, MOA is not MOA no matter how far you are.
As OkayShooter notes, the effect of wind is much greater at further distances. For example, when distance increases from 50 to 100 yards, wind drift at 100 is more than 3X what it is at 50.
In addition, and perhaps even more important, MV variation between rounds has an increasing effect as distance increases. For example, each 10 fps difference between two rounds causes about 0.07" of vertical dispersion between them at 50 yards. At double the distance to 100, the same 10 fps difference causes about 0.26" of vertical. In other words, the vertical is 3X greater at 100 than at 50. (At 200 yards, a 10 fps difference between two rounds results in over 1" of vertical.)
What this means is that shooting MOA is more and more difficult as distance increases, even if there is no wind or air movement between shooter and target. If MOA (about 1/2" five-shot group) is relatively easy at 50, it's much less so at 100. It's quite difficult at 200.
Most people aren't talking about their PRS scores, they just wanna compare how their 200$ rimfire works. Most people don't have access to 300m ranges - hence, the internet just agrees that 1/2" at 50y is what you're really after. You can show off with your shooting at 300y, but you can shoot a 4" target at 100y or a 12" plate at 300, it's the same MOA to me.
Yes, Im fully aware it takes more "skill" to maintain the same MOA over distance, but thats just not how we are measuring things for ease of conversation.
