shadowstang
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In your price range i would certainly go with a CZ as its in a different class and your not taking much of a chance if any for getting a dud like the Savage.
Most accurate .22LR under $750?
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Back on track from the pissing contest...
I've got two CZ 452's in .22 LR and I love the feel of them and the accuracy. One is a LH American and the wood and metal work is quite nice, it feels great to operate, hold and shoot, accuracy is excellent.
I've own one Anschutz in this price range, a used single shot CIL 180 that I picked up off the EE for $400 and I won't talk about the groups as I'd be labeled a liar.
Only one Savage in my stable, a 93R17 BVSS (laminate heavy barrel stainless) in .17 HMR. Comparing the Savage to my Anschutz 1517MPR (well out of the price range), the Savage is a great shooter, action feels smooth, but the rifle is a bit light. There is no point in comparing the trigger on the Savage to the Anschutz, but I do have an Apachee kit to put in the Savage.
Comparing all of my rimfires, I tend to shoot the heavier ones better, they seem less jumpy off a rest. My preference is to my Anschutz rifles, more so because of the stock designs, weight and trigger. My CZ rifles are sporters and lighter, I did the Yodave kit in them. I have a CZ452 Varmint in .22WMR and it shoots below average and thus sits a lot until I can try and improve it. A friend has a 453 Varmint .22LR and it shoots incredible.
Not having owned a .22 LR Savage can I make any claims on accuracy, but my .17 is a great shooter and I would buy a .22 LR based on that.
In summary, I'd look for a used Anschutz/CIL, then a CZ Varmint and lastly a Savage TRR with the Boyds Pro Varmint stock. There is a used BRNO UIT rifle on the EE that tempts me, but the stock is too right hand specific for my liking.
I've got two CZ 452's in .22 LR and I love the feel of them and the accuracy. One is a LH American and the wood and metal work is quite nice, it feels great to operate, hold and shoot, accuracy is excellent.
I've own one Anschutz in this price range, a used single shot CIL 180 that I picked up off the EE for $400 and I won't talk about the groups as I'd be labeled a liar.
Only one Savage in my stable, a 93R17 BVSS (laminate heavy barrel stainless) in .17 HMR. Comparing the Savage to my Anschutz 1517MPR (well out of the price range), the Savage is a great shooter, action feels smooth, but the rifle is a bit light. There is no point in comparing the trigger on the Savage to the Anschutz, but I do have an Apachee kit to put in the Savage.
Comparing all of my rimfires, I tend to shoot the heavier ones better, they seem less jumpy off a rest. My preference is to my Anschutz rifles, more so because of the stock designs, weight and trigger. My CZ rifles are sporters and lighter, I did the Yodave kit in them. I have a CZ452 Varmint in .22WMR and it shoots below average and thus sits a lot until I can try and improve it. A friend has a 453 Varmint .22LR and it shoots incredible.
Not having owned a .22 LR Savage can I make any claims on accuracy, but my .17 is a great shooter and I would buy a .22 LR based on that.
In summary, I'd look for a used Anschutz/CIL, then a CZ Varmint and lastly a Savage TRR with the Boyds Pro Varmint stock. There is a used BRNO UIT rifle on the EE that tempts me, but the stock is too right hand specific for my liking.
Ar180shooter
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That would be much appreciated. I can bring extra MKII mags if necessary.
Don't get confused... I don't own Savages "now", because I have spent the past three years downsizing my battery in retirement... I am down to three rimfire rifles total; two CZ 452 FS models in LR and HMR and a Dlask/Kidd build, but I have owned a couple dozen Savage rimfire rifles in the past and found them to be very good shooters... certainly not the fit and finish of a CZ, but they can hold their own on paper. I have also owned Ruger, Remington, Winchester, Cooper, Anschutz, Martini, Henry, and other rimfire rifles...
I initially simply challenged your unsupportable blanket statement... this is the internet, everyone has an opinion... and I am too old to jump at "#### measuring" challenges... that is where the "mom" comment came from... IME challenges of that nature are generally issued by the very young or inexperienced.
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I have a Savage BV and a TR neither is a dud.I also have a BNIB CZ452 varmint 22lr.I don't need all 3 .When my sightron bigsky comes in I will get the CZ up and running and compare it to my savages.I do hope it out shoots them as that would mean I have a great shooter as the savages are incredably accurate with decent ammo.The worst one will be sold off.BV was $350,TR $519,CZ $539 plus a yo dave trigger kit.The accutrigger works great out of the box.
Ar180shooter
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I only issued the challenge after you called in to question the veracity of my posting in the other thread. I've owned and shot many Savages, CZ's, Anschutz, Marlin, Martini-Henry, BRNO, etc. rimfires too, so don't think you're the only one with trigger time under your belt. You are correct that it is unwitnessed; however, if you are going to make such a point, and argue that because of that, the results should be dismissed, don't be surprised if someone challenges you to come out and see the results duplicated as well as prove the point that CZ's are generally more accurate than Savages (which has been my experience after owning several of both). If you wish to retract your statements made in #31, I see no reason to leave the challenge open. If not, you should have no problem accepting the offer made to borrow a Savage and show this young-un how to shoot (I don't think my Mom will drive me though, she'd have to fly back from her comfortable retirement in Austria to do that, so I'll have to drive myself there...
).I am also quite disappointed that you have not acknowledged the fact that I clarified my original post, and pointed out that it should be understood that in a thread of this nature, one talks in generalities (from my first response to your initial objection). I also noted that naturally there will be outliers. Some Savages will outshoot some CZ's, but most CZ's will outshoot most Savages (a fair summation, no?). I clarified and expanded on my original post in #19, #21 and #30, yet you're still quoting my original post with the deliberate intention of misunderstanding the context, despite it being clarified multiple times. At this point, you've constructed a straw man argument, and are arguing against a point I didn't actually make.
freezer filler
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I have owned a lot of high end accurate 22's and many low end 22's. The most accurate 22 i have ever seen was a budget savage with a zinger of a barrel. It outshot every 54 action annie I have seen. It was a freak of a nature, a one off. Some savages can be very accurate... if the stars align. The only CZ I kept was the 16" scout. Almost all 16" barrel CZ's will outshoot all other CZ's, the next most accurate CZ's are the full stocks followed by whichever. This has been my experience, around CZ's, savages and other 22's. If I was going to buy the most accurate budget 22 I would buy a cz scout and put a better stock on it. In fact that is exactly what I did.
If you want a more accurate 22 in the price range find a used Thompson Center R-55 all weather semi auto. It will outshot both the savage and CZ.
If you want a more accurate 22 in the price range find a used Thompson Center R-55 all weather semi auto. It will outshot both the savage and CZ.
I only issued the challenge after you called in to question the veracity of my posting in the other thread. I've owned and shot many Savages, CZ's, Anschutz, Marlin, Martini-Henry, BRNO, etc. rimfires too, so don't think you're the only one with trigger time under your belt. You are correct that it is unwitnessed; however, if you are going to make such a point, and argue that because of that, the results should be dismissed, don't be surprised if someone challenges you to come out and see the results duplicated as well as prove the point that CZ's are generally more accurate than Savages (which has been my experience after owning several of both). If you wish to retract your statements made in #31, I see no reason to leave the challenge open. If not, you should have no problem accepting the offer made to borrow a Savage and show this young-un how to shoot (I don't think my Mom will drive me though, she'd have to fly back from her comfortable retirement in Austria to do that, so I'll have to drive myself there...
I am also quite disappointed that you have not acknowledged the fact that I clarified my original post, and pointed out that it should be understood that in a thread of this nature, one talks in generalities (from my first response to your initial objection). I also noted that naturally there will be outliers. Some Savages will outshoot some CZ's, but most CZ's will outshoot most Savages (a fair summation, no?). I clarified and expanded on my original post in #19, #21 and #30, yet you're still quoting my original post with the deliberate intention of misunderstanding the context, despite it being clarified multiple times. At this point, you've constructed a straw man argument, and are arguing against a point I didn't actually make.
Take a pill, Hotshot... I'm done with you and this thread.
Great choice, I'm sure that you will be pleased with it.
You do realize that it'll need some big brothers?
In my experience the "most accurate .22LR under $750" was a BSA Martini action single shot take-down rifle with a peep sight mounted on the wrist tang. It was so accurate that it was uncanny...dropping them all into one hole at 25 yards and not much more than that at 50 yards...I foolishly sold it many decades ago.
It cost me around $200. ...but that was about three decades ago and maybe it would be worth more now...maybe even over $750.
It cost me around $200. ...but that was about three decades ago and maybe it would be worth more now...maybe even over $750.
A bit pointless to post now, considering that the OP has made his choice, but I think it's worth a mention: an absolute sleeper in the accurate-rimfire category which I haven't seen mentioned yet is the TOZ heavy-barrel boltgun imported and sold by Winchester a number of years ago as the Wildcat Target. I picked one up when they were being cleared for a couple hundred bucks, and it is an unbelievable value. I've had several CZ/Brno's and a couple of Savages, and the Russian will match all of them and better most of them. If I were actually inclined to enter into one of these pointless pissing matches or "challenges" that seem to be so common here on CGN and elsewhere, I would be hard-pressed to choose between this gun and my Anschutz Match 54...and the new Russian gun cost me about 10% of what the Anschutz would have brought when new. On top of that, it's not a bad-looking gun...maybe not as classically-styled as most of the CZ's, but much easier on my eyes than those ugly little Savage spuds.
Did it happen to have an Applejack thumbhole stock, threaded brake, DIP bottom metal, etc? If so I was the one who bought it from you, and now it is in the hands of another CGNer.
It was a fantastic shooter, and made a heck of a crack for a rimfire. It was the first (and last) Savage I ever owned, and though it wasn't as nicely finished as a CZ, it easily out shot all but one CZ I've owned.
How bout a lotta times it's the shooter not the gun...Our local rifle club has anything from Anshultz,CZ....Many Savage mk2s.A savage with a done up trigger and Boyds thumbhole is damn near as good as the higher end guns.
