Most accurate .22LR under $750?

mosinmaster said:
Anybody done any research on the Savage/Lakefield Mark II design to determine where its accuracy comes from for the price point compared to the design of the Brno/CZ design? And what makes the Anschutz 54/64 actions superior to both in terms of design, build quality, and materials?
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No research is really required. The Savages are made on a tubular action, which requires minimal machining. They throw a decent barrel on it and that's that. They figured out how to make a reasonably accurate rimfire on the cheap. I also think I've made a fair argument in my previous posts that Savages are in general not as accurate as the CZ's. The action on the CZ is also far smoother, more sophisticated, better finished, etc. than the Savage action.

This isn't to say that the Savage MKII isn't a decent rifle. For the money, they're hard to beat, but they're still a "budget" rifle at the end of the day.
 
Ar180shooter said:
No research is really required. The Savages are made on a tubular action, which requires minimal machining. They throw a decent barrel on it and that's that. They figured out how to make a reasonably accurate rimfire on the cheap. I also think I've made a fair argument in my previous posts that Savages are in general not as accurate as the CZ's. The action on the CZ is also far smoother, more sophisticated, better finished, etc. than the Savage action.

This isn't to say that the Savage MKII isn't a decent rifle. For the money, they're hard to beat, but they're still a "budget" rifle at the end of the day.
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I would agree, its not really a fair comparison to put a budget rifle (Savage) up against a mid-range rifle (CZ). It would be equally unfair to compare a CZ against a Cooper or Anschutz.

Each has its place in the market according to the buyer's taste and budget, (aint the free market grand)



That all being said, if its accuracy (for target shooting purposes) that is the main goal, then I would spend the greater portion of the $750 budget on optics
 
surfclod said:
I would agree, its not really a fair comparison to put a budget rifle (Savage) up against a mid-range rifle (CZ). It would be equally unfair to compare a CZ against a Cooper or Anschutz.

Each has its place in the market according to the buyer's taste and budget, (aint the free market grand)



That all being said, if its accuracy (for target shooting purposes) that is the main goal, then I would spend the greater portion of the $750 budget on optics
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For the purposes of this thread though, as both the Savage and CZ are in the OP's stated price range, the comparison is fair, as well as the explanation for the price difference. Additionally, the OP didn't include optics in the $750 limit, only the rifle.
 
$750 for the rifle alone should give lots of choices.

I would lean towards one of the target/biathlon rifles on the Tradex site.


I comment about the optics cause I always cringe when I see a fellow save up for a nice gun and then as an afterthought puts a $50 Tasco on it.

Used to do it myself:redface:
 
Ar180shooter said:
Several things, firstly, there are naturally outliers in any data set. Second, you would have to compare that to a CZ in .17 HM2 to make a fair comparison. This leads to the question, have you owned/shot a CZ in .17 HM2?
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Yes, I have owned and shot a CZ American HM2 and a Ruger 77/HM2 and a Volquartsen HM2... the Savage MKII was more accurate than the others... your first statement was not a "generality" it was an uneqivocal utterance inffering that most if not all CZ's will of course be more accurate than Savage rimfires... and that I do not agree with... I would however agree that it is likely that the average CZ will be marginally more accurate than the average Savage.
 
Ar180shooter said:
I also think I've made a fair argument in my previous posts that Savages are in general not as accurate as the CZ's.
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You not only have not made a fair argument, you have made no argument... you have done little more than said "just cuz I said so..."
 
I'm sure a lot of will kick up a fuse, but my little marlin 795 is a tack driver. I'm not sure how accurate these bolt 22's are but I bought this for rodents and predators around the farm. When I sighted it in with cci mini mags it was shreading beer caps at 50yds off the bench with a budget $300 2x7 scope.
Way better than I would expect from a semi anything.
 
Ar180shooter said:
I would also point out that in the "My .22 shoots under 1/2" at 50 yards all day" thread, there are 3 Savages, compared to 5 CZ's that have made the successful list, and I can guarantee you that Savage MK II's outsell CZ 452/455's 10 to 1. Food for thought IMO.
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hoytcanon said:
You not only have not made a fair argument, you have made no argument... you have done little more than said "just cuz I said so..."
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You were saying? Also, where's your successful entry? Mine was completed with a stock 452.
 
hoytcanon said:
Yes, I have owned and shot a CZ American HM2 and a Ruger 77/HM2 and a Volquartsen HM2... the Savage MKII was more accurate than the others... your first statement was not a "generality" it was an uneqivocal utterance inffering that most if not all CZ's will of course be more accurate than Savage rimfires... and that I do not agree with... I would however agree that it is likely that the average CZ will be marginally more accurate than the average Savage.
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And that's generally the case. I haven't shot every Savage, and every CZ, so I could not have made a claim that absolutely in all cases any CZ will always be more accurate than any Savage. To top it off, I even clarified in following posts. Don't try to stick words in my mouth. Complete the 1/2"@ 50 yards rimfire challenge with a stock Savage MK II, beating my average group size of 0.294", then we'll continue to talk about the accuracy of .22 Savages compared to CZ's.
 
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Ar180shooter said:
And that's generally the case. I haven't shot every Savage, and every CZ, so I could not have made a claim that absolutely in all cases any CZ will always be more accurate than any Savage. To top it off, I even clarified in following posts. Don't try to stick words in my mouth. Complete the 1/2"@ 50 yards rimfire challenge with a stock Savage MK II, beating my average group size of 0.294", then we'll continue to talk about the accuracy of .22 Savages compared to CZ's.
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It is likely that I have been shooting longer than you have been on this spinning ball with all sorts of firearms, but certainly into the triple digits of rimfire rifles... of all makes and persuasions... it makes me chuckle that you point to your single entry with a single rifle in an unwitnessed online game as support for your initial statement, which I challenged as viewed below;

Ar180shooter said:
CZ's most definitely shoot better than Savages...
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surfclod said:
$750 for the rifle alone should give lots of choices.

I would lean towards one of the target/biathlon rifles on the Tradex site.


I comment about the optics cause I always cringe when I see a fellow save up for a nice gun and then as an afterthought puts a $50 Tasco on it.

Used to do it myself:redface:
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I was thinking that too, there's a bunch of neat used Anshultz rifles on tradex that will likely shoot tighter groups then the CZ or MK II, though I do like all 3 of these options.

If the OP wanted to do nice glass, good groups and a bunch of ammo for under $750 then the savage would do that probably best, if he wants a tight grouping gun thats a beauty to hold and shoot for $750 on just a rifle then I'd vote the CZ in a full stock, but if it's just a tight group and less care about cosmetics or price, have a look at tradex.
 
hoytcanon said:
It is likely that I have been shooting longer than you have been on this spinning ball with all sorts of firearms, but certainly into the triple digits of rimfire rifles... of all makes and persuasions... it makes me chuckle that you point to your single entry with a single rifle in an unwitnessed online game as support for your initial statement, which I challenged as viewed below;
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"I'm old and have a lot of guns, therefore I'm right."

Talk about making someone chuckle...

I'd gladly meet up with you and have a shoot off, my stock CZ against any stock Savage .22lr of yours. Of course, you may be on the other side of the country from me as you don't list your location, so this may not be practical.
 
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Ar180shooter said:
I'd gladly meet up with you and have a shoot off, my stock CZ against any stock Savage .22lr of yours. Of course, you may be on the other side of the country from me as you don't list your location, so this may not be practical.
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I don't own a Savage so that wouldn't work anyway...
 
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I fully intended to buy a Savage bolt action when I gave my Marlin 81DL to my brother (it was our Dad's rifle and my brother has kids).

I looked at a Savage at Hubs and agreed to buy it and then made the mistake of asking to see the CZ455 while he was writing up the Savage................................

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My first outing with the 455 and its ammo test. Shot off sand bags at 50 yards. I am not a target shooter and I am sure that with a better rifleman it could have done better.

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