mightyhunter
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I will wake you up at 4:30 am and see if you still laughing then. I am not sh**-ting on you. lol
most accurate rifle
- Thread starter mackillan
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I had a 280 rem built by alberta tactical rifle about 2 years ago.This was my first custom gun . What impresses me most about a good custom gun is that it seems to shoot any load well( most will do around the 1/2 inch or better. However if you take the time to work up a load this thing practically punches the same hole.I was so impressed with this gun that I had them build another gun for long range stuff. I had a 7mm stw built on a remington model 700 police.I am new to long range shooting and am by no means a great shooter or anything but even I am consistantly under 2 inch at 500 yards( conditions permitting of course). Without the scopes both of these guns were under 3 grand a piece.
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With a detachable mag.
Mine would be for hunting. Range work for me is practice. It would have to be practical. I like fast flat shooters so I was considering at this point buying a weatherby in 257 mag with a hot scope or having my sendero 7 mm mag upgraded or something built around as sps .308. I would like an exteremly accurate hunting rifle for southern muleys or antelope.
Your 7mm sendero should have what it takes for those uses. Get the trigger lowered to 3 pounds, have the action trued and replace the barrel.
I'd definately get the trigger lowered to 3 pounds. I've found the X-mark pro triggers work well for me but they need to be lowered a bit. Run a bunch of match grade ammo through it first and see how it shoots. You may find you don't need to change anything other than the trigger. Frankly for your uses that 7mm should be right on. Try loading up some Berger 180 grain VLD s or 162 grain A-max ammo in it.
Don't get me wrong, the customs are nice and you get everything you want without any compromises.
For that much money I could get 3rem700PSS, If you wanted a gun that is able to shoot haft to quarter inchs, get rem700PSS out of the box with minor work(TRIGGER JOBS), they able to do that with reload, just load you bullet to the gun, rem700PSS does have a very long lead, over 2.931" depended on bullet, most match or Custom gun do have a very short lead and tight chamber, so load the bullet to the gun and it will do very good. JUST MY OPINION
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Gunboy
I USED to love remingtons.Remington USED to make a great factory rifle in the past and I am sure they still make some good models but in my experience it is hit and miss. Three years ago my brother and I bought 4 brand new remington model 700 bdl. One was down right dangerous ( almost cutting the brass in half every time it was fired). After spending hours and hours and hundreds trying to get the others to shoot we gave up. Remington rebarreled 2 of them and actually replaced one entirely( you can call Bill Wertner in ontario to confirm this). I was so fed up I sent mine to ATRS and that is how my first custom rifle came to be. Incidently I have been reloading for about 27 years so it wasn't my reloads. I tried everything, glass bedding etc.The very very best we could get was 1 1/2 inch but most groups approached 2-3 inches.Someone was asleep at the wheel when those guns were built.
The only remington I would buy would be the sendero (or a Bdl simply for the action).
Also you missed the entire point of my post. You don't have to spend hours and hours fiddling etc with a custom gun. They shoot practically any load very well. They shoot the bullet I want to use for hunting very well. A factory rifle might only shoot one load well and if it isn't a good hunting bullet then a 500 yard shot on the trophy of a life time is out of the question.
I USED to love remingtons.Remington USED to make a great factory rifle in the past and I am sure they still make some good models but in my experience it is hit and miss. Three years ago my brother and I bought 4 brand new remington model 700 bdl. One was down right dangerous ( almost cutting the brass in half every time it was fired). After spending hours and hours and hundreds trying to get the others to shoot we gave up. Remington rebarreled 2 of them and actually replaced one entirely( you can call Bill Wertner in ontario to confirm this). I was so fed up I sent mine to ATRS and that is how my first custom rifle came to be. Incidently I have been reloading for about 27 years so it wasn't my reloads. I tried everything, glass bedding etc.The very very best we could get was 1 1/2 inch but most groups approached 2-3 inches.Someone was asleep at the wheel when those guns were built.
The only remington I would buy would be the sendero (or a Bdl simply for the action).
Also you missed the entire point of my post. You don't have to spend hours and hours fiddling etc with a custom gun. They shoot practically any load very well. They shoot the bullet I want to use for hunting very well. A factory rifle might only shoot one load well and if it isn't a good hunting bullet then a 500 yard shot on the trophy of a life time is out of the question.
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I must say that I read these kinds of threads with a bit of detached amusement.
$4,000? You're kidding, right? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people think that the more money you spend, the better a rifle or shooter you will get.
To provide you with a bit of a counter-example, here is an admittedly provocative thread I posted last spring:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218941
It is a story about a rifle that is cheaper than pretty well ANYTHING that ANY F-class shooter has ever used in competition. I mean, the whole deal is probably worth less than $750, and that INCLUDES the Leupold 6.5-20 scope! Actually, the $750 is somewhat arbitrary because I could probably get that much for it simply because of its proven performance. It's not a reflection of the actual value of the parts.
If you read that thread, you'll learn that this rifle shoots into the .2s after having the barrel so badly rusted that I could not even see daylight through the bore. It's also worth noting that I've taken it to the range several times since I posted that thread last spring. It has consistently shot at this level since then, so the results I posted in that thread are no fluke.
In my opinion, this establishes that any decent, concentric, front-locking bolt action that is properly barrelled and bedded, and scoped with a precision optic, and fed proper handloads made with decent components, chambered for an appropriate cartridge, will be able to shoot less than 1/2 m.o.a. consistently, IF THE SHOOTER IS UP TO THE TASK. Just think about what I have been able to achieve with a crappy, WWI action, cobbled together from mixed parts, thrown into a random wood stock, with a hand-me-down barrel THAT WAS RUSTED ALMOST INTO OBLIVION.
It's not how much you spend on the rifle; it's how much attention you personally pay to the necessary details.
In this regard, I consider myself a disciple of Mysticplayer, who has, time and time again, proven that you can take cheap actions and make accuracy masterpieces out of them, if you pay attention to detail and use your imagination.
$4,000? You're kidding, right? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people think that the more money you spend, the better a rifle or shooter you will get.
To provide you with a bit of a counter-example, here is an admittedly provocative thread I posted last spring:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218941
It is a story about a rifle that is cheaper than pretty well ANYTHING that ANY F-class shooter has ever used in competition. I mean, the whole deal is probably worth less than $750, and that INCLUDES the Leupold 6.5-20 scope! Actually, the $750 is somewhat arbitrary because I could probably get that much for it simply because of its proven performance. It's not a reflection of the actual value of the parts.
If you read that thread, you'll learn that this rifle shoots into the .2s after having the barrel so badly rusted that I could not even see daylight through the bore. It's also worth noting that I've taken it to the range several times since I posted that thread last spring. It has consistently shot at this level since then, so the results I posted in that thread are no fluke.
In my opinion, this establishes that any decent, concentric, front-locking bolt action that is properly barrelled and bedded, and scoped with a precision optic, and fed proper handloads made with decent components, chambered for an appropriate cartridge, will be able to shoot less than 1/2 m.o.a. consistently, IF THE SHOOTER IS UP TO THE TASK. Just think about what I have been able to achieve with a crappy, WWI action, cobbled together from mixed parts, thrown into a random wood stock, with a hand-me-down barrel THAT WAS RUSTED ALMOST INTO OBLIVION.
It's not how much you spend on the rifle; it's how much attention you personally pay to the necessary details.
In this regard, I consider myself a disciple of Mysticplayer, who has, time and time again, proven that you can take cheap actions and make accuracy masterpieces out of them, if you pay attention to detail and use your imagination.
I know what you mean, I heard alot from several people, hit and miss , and I do believe, but up to now I have own several rem700PSS, in 308win, 300win, even 300 ULtramag, I never have any problem, at the moment I own 3 rem700PSS, and they shoot to around 1/4 to 1/2 only when is not my fuuck up, and at genesee consistently out to 500meter at the 6" gong, one of my rem700 was taking apart and back off around 100thausand of an inch and rechamber, it shoot to lest than 1/2 inchs with federal gold match, the chamber are now 2.810 with 168grain BTHP Sierra, if rick which I have heard alot about from every one on this forum can prove to me that his rifles is more accurate, I might just purchase one, otherwise I stick to what work, beside he asking too much for his rifles, one of my Sako TRG 42 in 300 win mag cost around $3000 shoot to 1/2 inchs at 200meter, doesn't even out shoot my rem700 300 winmag 28", which cost me around haft the price. so more money doesn't mean better, I save my money for ammo, but I think is time to try different action...
Couldn't agree more. There seems to be the hype the more you pay for a custom gun that accuracy is a guarantee. If the nut behind the bolt isn't up to the task, you would be better off getting a RemingtonPSS or a Savage with a McMillan or H-S Precision stock, using the money you saved for match grade ammo and getting some trigger time.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not to rain on your parade, but you had a generous gunsmith friend.
Without this factor your cost to your wallet would have been significantly higher. Kind of puts your project into a special niche, I would say.
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Caution: What you are about to read may shock your sensibility! Reader discretion is advised.
What I am about to describe is a nightmare story. You can decide for yourself whether the ending is happy, sad or neutral.
This is a story about my very first target rifle -- the one that is arguably responsible for my nickname on CGN (P-17).
A number of years ago now, I became interested in trying my hand at target shooting. I didn't have much money or experience, so I discussed the matter with my gunsmith friend Fred Bardua, and we decided to build a basic .308 out of a 1917 Enfield action. My friend Martin Teglasi donated a used Donnelly target barrel which had about 1,000 rounds through it at the time. It's a chrome-moly barrel and had a 1-11" twist with a tight bore of .3065. It was also not lapped OR heat treated in any way, and it fouled like a bastard and did tend to walk a bit when it got heated. Nevertheless, it got me into the game.
Martin also donated a used walnut stock for the project, and he talked Fred into welding a block of steel into the magazine and drilling new holes for the action. He also talked Fred into installing a Remington 700-style recoil lug washer between the barrel and receiver face, and letting the original lug just hang free. I added a Timney trigger, and the finished product does not look half bad. I recently purchased a 6.5-20 x 40 Leupold from a fellow CGNer and mounted it on.
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Without this factor your cost to your wallet would have been significantly higher. Kind of puts your project into a special niche, I would say.
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Caution: What you are about to read may shock your sensibility! Reader discretion is advised.
What I am about to describe is a nightmare story. You can decide for yourself whether the ending is happy, sad or neutral.
This is a story about my very first target rifle -- the one that is arguably responsible for my nickname on CGN (P-17).
A number of years ago now, I became interested in trying my hand at target shooting. I didn't have much money or experience, so I discussed the matter with my gunsmith friend Fred Bardua, and we decided to build a basic .308 out of a 1917 Enfield action. My friend Martin Teglasi donated a used Donnelly target barrel which had about 1,000 rounds through it at the time. It's a chrome-moly barrel and had a 1-11" twist with a tight bore of .3065. It was also not lapped OR heat treated in any way, and it fouled like a bastard and did tend to walk a bit when it got heated. Nevertheless, it got me into the game.
Martin also donated a used walnut stock for the project, and he talked Fred into welding a block of steel into the magazine and drilling new holes for the action. He also talked Fred into installing a Remington 700-style recoil lug washer between the barrel and receiver face, and letting the original lug just hang free. I added a Timney trigger, and the finished product does not look half bad. I recently purchased a 6.5-20 x 40 Leupold from a fellow CGNer and mounted it on.
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Well, al of my old remingtons, howa's etc shot really really well. After all our guns were stolen a few years ago we had to replace them with new ones of course. Many of the new ones were a disappointment. I agree that price does not mean as there is so much more to it. A well built gun whether is factory or custom is going to be accurate if the shooter is up to the task. I am simply very disappointed with many of the new factory rifles we bought with the exception being the remington sendero which is extremely accurate.
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Bingo.
Barrel, Bullets, bedding.
I know you are probably asking a legitimate question and that is great, but it betrays a great deal of naive thinking. Start simple and work up. Buy a Savage F-class gun in 6BR and in 6 months, you will be laughing at all the other guys that ask similar questions to this!
Good luck!
