Most accurate Semi-Auto 223 Non-Restricted

I'd agree with the previous statements. Swiss/SL8/NR ACR would be a tie in my books. I love my Swiss, but the other two will be just as accurate as it. I think caramel has had pretty good success with the Benelli MR1 as well though, if you want to keep the price lower.
 
I seem to get very similar groups with my SA20, n/r bushy ACR and Swiss arms.
With irons or optics. 7/8" to 1-1/4" groups. Better results with hand loads of course.
 
My MR-1 has been an awsome MOA rifle, it have now leave for another good home after 5K+ rounds of reliable service... JP.
 
PitBull1973 said:
Well if you have your own land could you not shoot your restricteds
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I could if I built my own range which I hope to do this year, but I still cant go to the foot hills with them, and unlike my ACR, they can not ride on the Tractor for coyote control.

Restricteds can only be used for one thing. Range queens, as unfortunate as that may be.
 
PitBull1973 said:
I hate it when people say they can't use it when it's restricted. Really??? How about a gun range
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Some of shoot gophers and coyotes, and have a metric crapton of 5.56/.223 kicking around from playing with AR's at the range. Be nice to have a semi-auto .223/.556 around for varminting/predator control. Varminting requires a highly accurate platform. Gophers are small.
 
The sl8 is a accurate rifle. But you will lose velocity. I think I was getting 150-200 fps slower then I would have gotten out of a longer bolt gun. The thumb whole stock is not for everyone. And if you are used to nice 2 stage, or match triggers, then you will hate the Sl8 trigger. One positive is that no one seems to be buying these, so even though they cost 2600+ new, you can get one used for 1800 ish
 
The SL8's appear to mount the optic ridiculously high above the bore too.... which has always bothered me. Just all around not a very ergonomic gun at all. personal preference of course.

What kind of accuracy can people expect from a standard Swiss Classic Green ? or Black special? ive noticed used ones poping up at much more affordable prices than what i previously remember :rolleyes:
 
surfclod said:
I did this search a few years back, the H&K SL-8 and Swiss Arms made the short list.

Both were beyond my level of funding, especially when "around or just under 1 MOA" was the best one could hope for in either platform.

Check out the ATR Modern Varminter, likely come in around the same as a Swiss Arms but unlike other 223 semi autos, it was built with accuracy in mind from the ground up, not as a battle rifle.
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The Sniper version of the swiss arms is better than
"around or just under 1 MOA"
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After all, It comes with a factory target that shows this
 
My thoughts on the stuff I've owned:

The SL-8
Accurate and reliable.
Aside from the thumb hole stock, the ergos are very good.

It is an ok option if you like the ergonomics of the thumb hole stock and have no issues with the proprietary mags.
The problem with them is the thumb hole stock is widely criticized as crap and universally hated. I've never heard of anyone who likes it.
The second issue is the mags. They are very good quality and reliable, but they are hard to come by and expensive for what they are.
Lesser issues are:
- the height over bore for optics due to the charging handle and the rail position.
- polymer rails
- due to the disparity between the light weight of the polymer stock and the heavy barrel, it is very nose heavy.

Many people who have them and like their quality features start chasing the G-36 conversion and mag conversion.
It is a real rabbit hole and you will spend and exhorbinant amount of money doing it.
Any of the AR mag conversions are mostly junk and do the rifle a disservice - but you get to use cheap and plentiful AR mags, so it is a trade off.
If you go for one, Best to get one that has already seen a conversion where the owner is selling it along with his shirt...or wait for the new model HK is coming out with.

Sig Black Special/Classic Green

Top notch accuracy, reliability and quality. Each one of these things came out of the factory with an accuracy guarantee of shooting 10 rounds into a 4"x4" box at 300m. I know of no other firearm with those credentials.
It has a good availability of parts (albeit not inexpensive) and quality low cost mags (thanks to the dominion mags).
Used prices are very reasonable at the moment.
If you want to mount optics, best to go with the flat top model as mounting a scope on a diopter model sets the scope too high and will require a cheek piece.

The only real or perceived downside is that with the recent nonsense regarding its classification, there is probably a worry the RCMP will again class these as prohibited. I think that is driving prices down. I also think that if the queens Cowboys try for a reclassification again, they will pull out the stops and do all semi autos. This will provoke class action litigation and we'll be in for a real fight, but that is a different discussion.

On stuff I haven't owned

Modern Varminter
I don't think there is enough info out there on these, but there is no reason to believe they won't do what a modern AR will do, which equates to exceptional semi auto accuracy and very good reliability with the right barrel and ammo combo. It would be great if there was an option to buy stripped upper and lower receivers from ATR, but I don't think that is going to happen as they make the real dough by making and selling completed rifles. Expect to pay a premium, as it is probably the most expensive of the bunch once you've loaded all of the options into it.

ACR
Paying a premium for a rifle with an unknown accuracy potential. Prices are more than the Swiss arms if that is believable...
 
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caramel said:
My MR-1 has been an awsome MOA rifle, it have now leave for another good home after 5K+ rounds of reliable service... JP.
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I notice you say "reliable", with no mention of accuracy. There is one other person I know of that says his MR1 is accurate. I had one for a while, I got it as a coyote rifle. I wouldn't have been able to hit a coyote with it "reliably, or repeatable". $1800 for the rifle, topped it with a leupold scope. I also tried other scopes. I took it all apart and had to lok tite everything, I just could not figure out was "loose" or causing the inaccuracy.
Sold the rifle.
Took the same scope and the exact same ammo and ran it through a used Bushmaster 16" HB and OMG!!!
I got complete confirmation that it was not any issue with my reloading, nor the scope etc. All the variables I tried to sort out thinking something I could change was wrong. It was the gun.
You do not see anyone posting threads of how accurate the MR1 is, nor do you find "accurate" listed in any of the literature from them marketing the rifle.
$1800 for 4MOA of the bench? ridiculous.
 
hoochie said:
I notice you say "reliable", with no mention of accuracy. There is one other person I know of that says his MR1 is accurate. I had one for a while, I got it as a coyote rifle. I wouldn't have been able to hit a coyote with it "reliably, or repeatable". $1800 for the rifle, topped it with a leupold scope. I also tried other scopes. I took it all apart and had to lok tite everything, I just could not figure out was "loose" or causing the inaccuracy.
Sold the rifle.
Took the same scope and the exact same ammo and ran it through a used Bushmaster 16" HB and OMG!!!
I got complete confirmation that it was not any issue with my reloading, nor the scope etc. All the variables I tried to sort out thinking something I could change was wrong. It was the gun.
You do not see anyone posting threads of how accurate the MR1 is, nor do you find "accurate" listed in any of the literature from them marketing the rifle.
$1800 for 4MOA of the bench? ridiculous.
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This is a problem with quite a few who post. Maybe it is their pride that keeps them from telling the true story of what a rifle is capable of? Don't want to admit the gun is a dog so they don't loose their shirt when it comes time to sell?
Whatever the reason I think they do themselves and this community a disservice.
 
hoochie said:
I notice you say "reliable", with no mention of accuracy. There is one other person I know of that says his MR1 is accurate. I had one for a while, I got it as a coyote rifle. I wouldn't have been able to hit a coyote with it "reliably, or repeatable". $1800 for the rifle, topped it with a leupold scope. I also tried other scopes. I took it all apart and had to lok tite everything, I just could not figure out was "loose" or causing the inaccuracy.
Sold the rifle.
Took the same scope and the exact same ammo and ran it through a used Bushmaster 16" HB and OMG!!!
I got complete confirmation that it was not any issue with my reloading, nor the scope etc. All the variables I tried to sort out thinking something I could change was wrong. It was the gun.
You do not see anyone posting threads of how accurate the MR1 is, nor do you find "accurate" listed in any of the literature from them marketing the rifle.
$1800 for 4MOA of the bench? ridiculous.
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I was an accurate rifle with it's pet load, i was very satisfied with it and if i dont post on it, it's because i dont own it no more...

Here a picture of my results with this great handload... JP.

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I have fired three different swiss arms rifles, all were very very accurate guns. I think the amazing trigger on them is a big help.
 
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