Most effective long range sniper rifle ??

Hi group,
In addition, why is using a ballistics computer considered a foul? To me it seems the right idea for solving complex problems. It would not surprise me if the PDA hardware and software will be built into the scope at some point in the future allowing the corrections to be made automatically.

Cordially,

SIB

Precision long range shooting is a very expensive enterprise in terms of both money and time. Generally speaking, the scopes, mounts, barrels, actions, and ammunition that work well at long-intermediate range begin to to show inadequacies as the range lengthens beyond 1000 yards. When you shoot at extremely long range and require a cartridge to be able to inflict a terminal blow to man or beast, and damage vehicles or machinery at extended ranges, it introduces additional costs. Over and above the cost of the rifle and it's ammunition, now we see a need for weather stations and BORES type software, which further increases the cost. If you are a military sniper, the cost doesn't matter as it is borne by the taxpayer, and you use what you are issued so you have no input to your weapon system, but when you have to field the stuff yourself, the cost sure adds up. Many sport shooters prefer to shoot in a number of different venues, and working folks as a rule don't have $50K to layout on a single firearm and the peripheral materials needed to work in that genre. Consider that the only way one can get good at long range shooting is to do it a lot. If we are generous and allow for ten bucks a shot, for match grade .50s or .408s that makes firing the 300-500 rounds a week needed to get good, very intimidating for many people, and some weeks are going to be of no value due to poor weather where you cannot see beyond a few hundred yards.

This begs the question, is your interest practical or theoretical? If theoretical, that is fine, get a good ballistics program and begin crunching the numbers. You could get a "Shooter Ready" program and learn some of the basic problem solving formulas associated with long range precision shooting.

If however, your interest is of a practical nature, get an appropriate target rifle built, and find out just what exactly is required in order to make a cold bore first round hit on a target at a long unknown range. Your ammo will have to be not only uniform but concentric as well. This is easier to arrange in a small cartridge than in a large. Keep in mind that general marksmanship for most people declines as the power of the cartridge increases. Your scope will have to be correctable to the range at which you intend to shoot, and believe me, not all are. You will have to learn how to work out mirage and wind problems. The Corealis Effect is only an inch at 1000 yards when firing north or south, so considering the group size of a typical system at 2000 yards, and the amount of correction associated with a single click adjustment of your scope, it can be ignored. But spin drift occurs regardless of your direction of fire, and the importance of this phenomenon must be determined by the the individual shooter with respect to his own equipment, but anticipate 1 foot at 1000 yards and perhaps 3-5 feet at 1500. You should find that over time your record book is of equal value to the expensive software.
 
what shooting experience have you had thus far (just curiosity) as perhaps maybe larger than .30 cal is not the best calibre to start with. Also building ones own rifle goes a long way towards teaching oneself what one actually needs.
 
What shooting experience have you had thus far (just curiosity) ......

2 years ago he wanted to know where to buy Remington Military products, 40MM Launchers and importing Saiga's...



But to answer the question. Most effective Long Range Sniper Rifle.

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Well if you got about 10 grand to spend I'd vote for the Barrett M98B, with a nightforce. 1000 yards is no problem for the 338 lapua magm.

Have you ever shot one of these??? You would think it should shoot better than it does for the price.. On the plus side my buddy might be putting his on the EE soon..
 
Yes my opinion, not that it matters, but from my own experience I played some seriously fun computer and video games and determined that sniper rifles are mega dope. As many people have deduced. This isn't was got me into shooting but it helped. So I decided it would be some fun azz crap to squeeze a few rounds off, my friend took me out to a range before I had my PAL, H1 or restricted. I recall the thought in my mind after the first shot... 22LR eh, this puppy got some kick!!...............from these wussy little bullet things!

5 minutes later he said you want to try the .223? Of course I was all s**ts and giggles and sat behind it, pinched the trigger ever so lightly and it was like god came down from the heavens and whacked me in the shoulder unannounced, while, full on whappin' both hands against both my ears simultaneously. I looked up at my friend after that shot and was asked if I needed to change my pants. I didn't know, I was flying on adrenaline so much, I couldn't even tell you my name, let alone take another shot.

Ever since I have become used to the 223 and recently shot a 308 with another CGN member. It was great, I love shooting! But one thing is for sure: You start small cal and move along as you're ready. Big guns and super nutty range is great, but common sense and and a little thing call realism need to take providence in rifle shooting.

Video games =/= Real life. Nuff said. The internet is dumb, but is useful if you know how to sort through the junk. K I'm done. Peace out.
 
Have you ever shot one of these??? You would think it should shoot better than it does for the price.. On the plus side my buddy might be putting his on the EE soon..

I would question the shooter before that rifle, no offense :p

Yes my opinion, not that it matters, but from my own experience I played some seriously fun computer and video games and determined that sniper rifles are mega dope. As many people have deduced. This isn't was got me into shooting but it helped. So I decided it would be some fun azz crap to squeeze a few rounds off, my friend took me out to a range before I had my PAL, H1 or restricted. I recall the thought in my mind after the first shot... 22LR eh, this puppy got some kick!!...............from these wussy little bullet things!

5 minutes later he said you want to try the .223? Of course I was all s**ts and giggles and sat behind it, pinched the trigger ever so lightly and it was like god came down from the heavens and whacked me in the shoulder unannounced, while, full on whappin' both hands against both my ears simultaneously. I looked up at my friend after that shot and was asked if I needed to change my pants. I didn't know, I was flying on adrenaline so much, I couldn't even tell you my name, let alone take another shot.

Ever since I have become used to the 223 and recently shot a 308 with another CGN member. It was great, I love shooting! But one thing is for sure: You start small cal and move along as you're ready. Big guns and super nutty range is great, but common sense and and a little thing call realism need to take providence in rifle shooting.

Video games =/= Real life. Nuff said. The internet is dumb, but is useful if you know how to sort through the junk. K I'm done. Peace out.

I laughed so hard at the first time you shot a .223! You musta thought the .223 was nothing after shooting the .308 :p

Yea I can shoot 5 rounds in a few hours and go home content after :) Until of course the next day rolls around and I want to do it again! It really is a high, especially when you put 3-5 shots through the same hole :)

Thanks,
- Koshy
 
I heard the .17-50 bmg is quite the barrell burner but the boolets are too light to push through gale force winds at anything more than 2000 yards.

Thoughts?
 
Well, it didn't take long for this thread to go totally in the ####ter. Seriously mods, lock this thread. It serves no useful purpose.
 
Sharps Big .50 in 50-70 or 50-90 . Check the drop charts on that . On June 25th 1874 Billy Dixon took a Commanche off the back of his horse with a deliberate aimed shot at what was once claimed to be 1,538 yards at Adobe Walls . In 1924 a surveyor plotted the actual distance at 1,028 yards while modern archaeologists using laser range finders have plotted the shot at 1,200 yards , which matches what Billy Dixons wife published in the book she wrote in 1913 . 4 survivors of Adobe Walls who were later interviewed all recalled witnessing Billy Dixon shooting 4 Indians , before the long shot from the first hill to the second hill . A laser range finder shows that the first hill is 600 yards away and the second hill is 925 yards which brings up the question , was Billy Dixon's 1,200 yard shot total luck ? We don't know how many rounds Dixon fired at the 'intermediate' range Indians from 600 to 925 yards but Dixon and 4 witnesses stated that it was one deliberate shot that toppled the Commanche from his horse at 1,200 yards . Billy Dixon and Rob Furlong were both using .50's , with minor differences .

According to Olive Dixon and the 4 witnesses , as recorded in her 1913 book , The Life And Adventures Of Billy Dixon , there was a second long shot at the same range , likely 1,200 yards as the first . After taking the Commanche off his horse a second Commanche rode up to the first Commanche , now laying dead on the ground and stopped , offering Billy Dixon a perfect broadside shot . Billy fired and the horse went down . Witnesses conflict with two saying that the horse was shot in the neck and two saying that the horse was shot in the head . Given how a broadside man sits a horse and a neck or a headshot on the horse , Billy Dixon was off 2 to 4 feet of windage at 1,200 yards which suggests that more skill than luck was involved when Dixon nailed the first Commanche at 1,200 yards .

The answer to your question is , any fairly accurate rifle in the hands of a skilled marksman . While not a highly skilled marksman , a trained military sniper nor a buffalo hunter , my 45-70 Sharps shoots minute of Toyota at 1,000 yards . Now mount your horse Mr. Brock .:D
 
I would question the shooter before that rifle, no offense :p

Again do you have personal experience with this rifle?? No offence :p

But I think you missed the point.. A Barrett 98B in 338 Lapua that cost between $6000 - 6500 ( I can't remember the exact amount ) and a ATRS built Rem 700 in 338 Edge that cost $4700.. Same day same bench.. one shooting into one ragged hole and the other shooting into about an inch or maybe a little over.

Guess which is which??

for the extra $1500 ( or there abouts ) I would expect it to shoot on par..

I know it isn't an apples to apples comparison but there it is.
 
Let's go at it this way. Large cases with a .338 bullet are doing about the best for distance shooting. The .338 Lapua is outstanding and there are a number of wildcats with about the same or a little better case capacity that do well. There are a number of companies that make a 300 gr .338 bullet with outstanding BC's. After that you get into huge money with the 50 cals and some other exotics.
 
blygy,

frankly I am disappointed in most of the factory rifles, the heym .50 cal is another pet peeve of mine.... the gun is only adequetly accurate with 1 MOA. it is sad to see the barrett shoots the same.
 
Sharps Big .50 in 50-70 or 50-90 . Check the drop charts on that . On June 25th 1874 Billy Dixon took a Commanche off the back of his horse with a deliberate aimed shot at what was once claimed to be 1,538 yards at Adobe Walls . In 1924 a surveyor plotted the actual distance at 1,028 yards while modern archaeologists using laser range finders have plotted the shot at 1,200 yards , which matches what Billy Dixons wife published in the book she wrote in 1913 . 4 survivors of Adobe Walls who were later interviewed all recalled witnessing Billy Dixon shooting 4 Indians , before the long shot from the first hill to the second hill . A laser range finder shows that the first hill is 600 yards away and the second hill is 925 yards which brings up the question , was Billy Dixon's 1,200 yard shot total luck ? We don't know how many rounds Dixon fired at the 'intermediate' range Indians from 600 to 925 yards but Dixon and 4 witnesses stated that it was one deliberate shot that toppled the Commanche from his horse at 1,200 yards . Billy Dixon and Rob Furlong were both using .50's , with minor differences .

According to Olive Dixon and the 4 witnesses , as recorded in her 1913 book , The Life And Adventures Of Billy Dixon , there was a second long shot at the same range , likely 1,200 yards as the first . After taking the Commanche off his horse a second Commanche rode up to the first Commanche , now laying dead on the ground and stopped , offering Billy Dixon a perfect broadside shot . Billy fired and the horse went down . Witnesses conflict with two saying that the horse was shot in the neck and two saying that the horse was shot in the head . Given how a broadside man sits a horse and a neck or a headshot on the horse , Billy Dixon was off 2 to 4 feet of windage at 1,200 yards which suggests that more skill than luck was involved when Dixon nailed the first Commanche at 1,200 yards .

The answer to your question is , any fairly accurate rifle in the hands of a skilled marksman . While not a highly skilled marksman , a trained military sniper nor a buffalo hunter , my 45-70 Sharps shoots minute of Toyota at 1,000 yards . Now mount your horse Mr. Brock .:D

That was entertaining, Rick. Perhaps, it should be required reading for all noobs, gamers, paint-ballers, and Airsofters, to the forum?...;)

The endless threads of, "What's the best sniper rifle?", reminds me of the question:

Q: What kind of bees can't fly?
A: "Wannabe's"
 
I would question the shooter before that rifle, no offense :p

Again do you have personal experience with this rifle?? No offence :p

But I think you missed the point.. A Barrett 98B in 338 Lapua that cost between $6000 - 6500 ( I can't remember the exact amount ) and a ATRS built Rem 700 in 338 Edge that cost $4700.. Same day same bench.. one shooting into one ragged hole and the other shooting into about an inch or maybe a little over.

Guess which is which??

for the extra $1500 ( or there abouts ) I would expect it to shoot on par..

I know it isn't an apples to apples comparison but there it is.

Spending more money doesn't guarantee you anything. Besides, you're deriving an opinion based on an apples to oranges comparrison.

Different chamberings, different rifles, different shooters (skill level?), different ammunition components, yadda...yadda...yadda...Get the point?

Hardly, an un-biased, objective, or relevant argument.
 
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