Mountain Hunting Rifle... Kimber vs Fierce....

Johnn Peterson said:
:(It DEFINITELY is that and as such, and a little more than I'm willing to fork out. Also, for that kinda' cash, one would expect to see a few calibre choices made available.
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Its avail in 10 different CARTRIDGES Johnn - i would think one of those would be Ok such as a 280 AI or 6.5 RPM ! 2 GREAT Cartridges ! jmo RJ
 
pete dobinson said:
Yes it would be kool. How long is the barrel? I would only go 284 if the barrel was 24" I might settle for 23" any shorter you might as well stick with a 7-08. jmo It sounds like a nice rifle though RJ.
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Its the std 22.4 " Peter - I have a Custom Built Rem M600/M7 LWM rifle with a 22" in 284 Win and it does the 7-08 by a BIT ! 7-08 AI is another option too ! I think brno284 has a reamer. RJ
 
longer range i prefer shootin my rem700 to be honest, over the kimber montana, montanas pretty nimble, hold yer tounge different an u will proberly get a different poi lol.

mostly due to lack of practise with said kimber for longer ranges... a good rest an all that jazz, scope etc, should be sweet...

good call on the hunters... same as a montana realistically.. an the stocks proberly 'tougher'.....
 
No offence but a mountain hunting rifle and a rifle to shoot off a bench at 500-800 yards are not the same.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but if you want a good mountain gun that you can practice with at the range its doable. Lots of accurate options out there. I shoot a 26 Nosler Christensen Arms with the carbon barrel and a Swaro Z5 sheep hunter in one piece talley light mounts. The gun is great. I killed a Tur at 510 yards in Azerbaijan with it and killed an Ibex that another hunter had wounded at 644 yards in Kyrgyzstan but in the last 2 outfitted hunts I did (BC goat and AB sheep) it was too long for bushwacking and stuck out too far from my horse scabbard. Add in one interesting grizzly encounter and I was thinking for North America I would prefer a shorter gun with larger bullets.

I my experience a good mountain gun for Alberta and BC should be reasonably light, short enough to not obstruct you when bushwhacking and fit nicely into a horse scabbard and accurate out to 400 yards. The Kimber would work. Fierce would be ok if you got one with a shorter barrel.

Yes occasionally you will need to shoot further in ####ty situations but unlikely in most foreseeable situations. If you buy a good gun there is no reason you shouldn't practice from a bench at longer ranges but a good mountain gun isn't a good bench gun and a good bench gun sure as heck isn't a good mountain gun.

If you are hunting Asia it is a different story. Then a longer and or heavier gun isn't as bad. The guides will often ask to carry your rifle or it is strapped across your back on the horse. NO trees in most cases which is nice lol, etc.

If I was you I would look into building a gun with a reputable smith. MY buddy just did one here in Toronto area and it is sweet. Defiance action, Proof barrel, manners stock, etc in 7mm. Nice Leopold glass on it. Sweet mountain rifle.
 
There's no reason you cant have an accurate lightweight long range rifle, I have many in my safe's downstairs that fit into this category, you just have to treat the rifle at the bench for what it is, an ultra lightweight backpackers rifle in the 6-7.5lb range scoped usually will have a very thin contoured barrel and they heat up quick by a 3 shot string, depending on the size of the cartridge some quicker than others !

Generally in a hunting rifle of any weight you will rarely ever shoot more than twice at an animal....nevermind 3 shots so bare this in mind when your at the bench trying to shoot a lightweight rifle as if it was a heavy barrelled target rifle, keep your shot strings to 3 shots and or let it cool if your wanting to shoot a longer string......simple.

I have a Kimber Montana 84L chambered in the new 6.5 RPM which is basically a beltless 264 win mag for powder charge comparison, it has a 24 in #2 contour Benchmark barrel with Talleys and a Zeiss V4 4-16x44 scope and weighs 7lbs 3oz and does not have a brake,

I have shot it out at 800 yards without issue hitting a 12x12 inch steel plate shooting 156gr Berger Elite Hunters at 3070fps.

As far as lightweight rifles go if you buy a new Kimber Mountain Ascent take it to your gunsmith and have the action bedded, trigger lightened and ensure the mag box is not binding on the action when its tightened in the stock, I know it sounds crazy to do this to a new rifle but it could save you a lot of unnecessary grief down the road, and for the $100-$150 bucks spent its well worth it to do this to any rifle.

As far as a Fierce rifle's Ive never owned one but I have several friends with them, for the most part are accurate, all but one of my friends has had problems with their rifles, ejection issued, mag box issues, accuracy issues, of course I know a fellow that bought a $14,000.00 Gunwerks package that wouldn't shoot under 4 inches either so no matter what they cost they all can have issues, I had the same with a Weatherby Mark V Outfitter Range Certified Rifle, wouldn't shoot less than 4 inch groups with factory or handloads and that was supposed to be test fired from the factory ???

I have a Kimber Mountain Ascent 270 Winchester I won at a WSS of BC function, it weighs 6lbs 6oz scoped with Talleys a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x40 CDS 1" inch tube scope, shooting Barnes factory 130gr TTSX ammo its very accurate, and yes I had it bedded and trigger adjusted and the mag box freed up.



 
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