Mountain Hunting Rifle... Kimber vs Fierce....

You’re right, it is the same. I was thinking the Adirondack handle and Montana were the same. I replace all my Kimber handles with extended titanium handles and the factory ones get lost in a box somewhere. I don’t pay much attention to the factory handles for that reason.
 
yeh il be keeping my eyes out for a hunter stock for my montana soon, sounds wack but my montana one seems to be thinnning out with use and i sat it down on some rocks and it basically 'put a hole' in the outer layer?
out with the Super glue and fill er up.... (very tiny freckle size)

but had me thinking,,, i drop it or keep luggin it across the mountains as i do, itl never shoot out a barrel but it sure might wear thin an that ? could be a issue.

i know as much as its a "Kevlar" wrapped stock to some degree.... ? how dense is inside / underneath the other layer?

i know the old tupperware stocks are , just quietly, tough as nails.
 
Good idea. My attitude has completely changed (for the better) on the hunter stock.

The Montana/adirondack/MA stocks (all the same) consist of a two-part polyeurethane foam core with a thin outer shell consisting of fiberglass and resin. The “Kevlar” was only a tiny bit around the recoil lug pocket when they first started making the stocks. I don’t think there’s any Kevlar in the stocks for the last few years now. There is a couple strips of carbon fibre in there to say there is some.

I have a kimber stock now that I will be repairing using fiberglass cloth and resin. I’ll see how it goes.

The honeycomb design of the forend on the hunter stock makes it very stiff.
 
AR15meister said:
No offence but a mountain hunting rifle and a rifle to shoot off a bench at 500-800 yards are not the same.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but if you want a good mountain gun that you can practice with at the range its doable. Lots of accurate options out there. I shoot a 26 Nosler Christensen Arms with the carbon barrel and a Swaro Z5 sheep hunter in one piece talley light mounts. The gun is great. I killed a Tur at 510 yards in Azerbaijan with it and killed an Ibex that another hunter had wounded at 644 yards in Kyrgyzstan but in the last 2 outfitted hunts I did (BC goat and AB sheep) it was too long for bushwacking and stuck out too far from my horse scabbard. Add in one interesting grizzly encounter and I was thinking for North America I would prefer a shorter gun with larger bullets.

I my experience a good mountain gun for Alberta and BC should be reasonably light, short enough to not obstruct you when bushwhacking and fit nicely into a horse scabbard and accurate out to 400 yards. The Kimber would work. Fierce would be ok if you got one with a shorter barrel.

Yes occasionally you will need to shoot further in ####ty situations but unlikely in most foreseeable situations. If you buy a good gun there is no reason you shouldn't practice from a bench at longer ranges but a good mountain gun isn't a good bench gun and a good bench gun sure as heck isn't a good mountain gun.

If you are hunting Asia it is a different story. Then a longer and or heavier gun isn't as bad. The guides will often ask to carry your rifle or it is strapped across your back on the horse. NO trees in most cases which is nice lol, etc.

If I was you I would look into building a gun with a reputable smith. MY buddy just did one here in Toronto area and it is sweet. Defiance action, Proof barrel, manners stock, etc in 7mm. Nice Leopold glass on it. Sweet mountain rifle.
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So just to clarify, is not a good mountain gun? :p I agree with hoyt, there are bigger things to worry about that a few ounces on a rifle, get in shape and practice with your rifle is the biggest thing, a man should be more than capable of carrying a 7-8-9lb rifle into the alpine. Run what you brung.
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RRH.01 said:
So just to clarify, is not a good mountain gun? :p I agree with hoyt, there are bigger things to worry about that a few ounces on a rifle, get in shape and practice with your rifle is the biggest thing, a man should be more than capable of carrying a 7-8-9lb rifle into the alpine. Run what you brung.
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Great pic ����I guess you didn’t know your gun was too heavy for mountain hunting?��
 
Nobody is saying you can’t hunt with a 12lb gun, it’s just nicer to hunt with a 6lb gun. The way I look at it is that my girlish figure can only pack so much weight, and that’s another 6 lbs of water I can carry.
 
Nashville said:
Good idea. My attitude has completely changed (for the better) on the hunter stock.

The Montana/adirondack/MA stocks (all the same) consist of a two-part polyeurethane foam core with a thin outer shell consisting of fiberglass and resin. The “Kevlar” was only a tiny bit around the recoil lug pocket when they first started making the stocks. I don’t think there’s any Kevlar in the stocks for the last few years now. There is a couple strips of carbon fibre in there to say there is some.

I have a kimber stock now that I will be repairing using fiberglass cloth and resin. I’ll see how it goes.

The honeycomb design of the forend on the hunter stock makes it very stiff.
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Thanks! interesting. pm me or il keep an eye out for your results an pics etc.
 
Weatherby Fan said:
There's no reason you cant have an accurate lightweight long range rifle, I have many in my safe's downstairs that fit into this category, you just have to treat the rifle at the bench for what it is, an ultra lightweight backpackers rifle in the 6-7.5lb range scoped usually will have a very thin contoured barrel and they heat up quick by a 3 shot string, depending on the size of the cartridge some quicker than others !

Generally in a hunting rifle of any weight you will rarely ever shoot more than twice at an animal....nevermind 3 shots so bare this in mind when your at the bench trying to shoot a lightweight rifle as if it was a heavy barrelled target rifle, keep your shot strings to 3 shots and or let it cool if your wanting to shoot a longer string......simple.

I have a Kimber Montana 84L chambered in the new 6.5 RPM which is basically a beltless 264 win mag for powder charge comparison, it has a 24 in #2 contour Benchmark barrel with Talleys and a Zeiss V4 4-16x44 scope and weighs 7lbs 3oz and does not have a brake,

I have shot it out at 800 yards without issue hitting a 12x12 inch steel plate shooting 156gr Berger Elite Hunters at 3070fps.

As far as lightweight rifles go if you buy a new Kimber Mountain Ascent take it to your gunsmith and have the action bedded, trigger lightened and ensure the mag box is not binding on the action when its tightened in the stock, I know it sounds crazy to do this to a new rifle but it could save you a lot of unnecessary grief down the road, and for the $100-$150 bucks spent its well worth it to do this to any rifle.

As far as a Fierce rifle's Ive never owned one but I have several friends with them, for the most part are accurate, all but one of my friends has had problems with their rifles, ejection issued, mag box issues, accuracy issues, of course I know a fellow that bought a $14,000.00 Gunwerks package that wouldn't shoot under 4 inches either so no matter what they cost they all can have issues, I had the same with a Weatherby Mark V Outfitter Range Certified Rifle, wouldn't shoot less than 4 inch groups with factory or handloads and that was supposed to be test fired from the factory ???

I have a Kimber Mountain Ascent 270 Winchester I won at a WSS of BC function, it weighs 6lbs 6oz scoped with Talleys a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x40 CDS 1" inch tube scope, shooting Barnes factory 130gr TTSX ammo its very accurate, and yes I had it bedded and trigger adjusted and the mag box freed up.



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Wow WF that is an awesome shooter wish my Mountain Ascent was that good my first hand load test out of my 280 Ackley I only got 0.31 three shot group
 
I don't think you could go wrong with a Kimber 84L. My MA 270 is bloody accurate, and other 84Ls I've seen on this forum are as well. For a factory produced lightweight.... it's the best one out there imo.
 
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