Mountain Rifle with Grizzly capability..your thoughts?

The black bears of today are only a little bit more dangerous than were the bears I wrote about and I pointed it out, just to be accurate in accounting of them.
How many bear attacks on humans did you have last year in Saskatchewan? Or the year before that? Or the year before that? or the year before------
I remembering a couple of years ago about reading of a bear killing a person in Quebec. The story on the news stated this was the second bear fatality on humans in Quebec in TWENTY TWO YEARS!
When was the last time you heard an official news report of a black bear killing a person, anywhere in Canada?
Pretty hard to consider them much of a hazard to hiking and camping in Canada, isn't it.

I don't know how many confirmed cases of bear killing humans or maulings there are but in my area it seems like every year people go missing that are never found again! Hard to say what happened. How many overly aggressive bears are shot each year and not reported.
The one thing I will say is, without question the Grizzly bears that I encounter seem to be less and less concerned about close human presence. If they aren't being hunted they have no reason to fear humans.
 
Some of us have taken uncountable thousands of shots with rifles and shotguns. How many practice cans of pepper spray do the fans use in "practice"? None? Almost none? Is there a number less than none?
 
It should be really easy to scientifically test. Two people, one with a slung rifle and one with his holstered, velcroed and plastic retainer secured pepper spray. They face off over a dead salmon at high noon, and when the buzzer goes they go at it. An impartial judge will then take both of their pulses and decide who if anyone is dead.

Who wants to be the guy with the spray can?
 
Some of us have taken uncountable thousands of shots with rifles and shotguns. How many practice cans of pepper spray do the fans use in "practice"? None? Almost none? Is there a number less than none?

I've actually practiced twice - once on a cat that wouldn't stop crapping in our garden and once on my friend who thought he was tough enough to handle it. The cat stopped crapping in our garden and my friend wasn't as tough as he initially believed...
 
I've actually practiced twice - once on a cat that wouldn't stop crapping in our garden and once on my friend who thought he was tough enough to handle it. The cat stopped crapping in our garden and my friend wasn't as tough as he initially believed...

Too Funny !! That did it for me I lost it !!!
 
When ever my wife goes on a road trip I make sure she has her bear spray, cause a handgun is illegal. I know it is devastating on humans, it ain't that crappy pepper spray for self defense or mace which also isn't legal in Canada. See there really is a use for bear spray, and she's been itching to try it, so if you see a black Mercedes GL 320 CDI on the highway, don't stop, she is probably trying to suck somebody in to try her bear spray on!!!! You've been warned.............
 
I've actually practiced twice - once on a cat that wouldn't stop crapping in our garden and once on my friend who thought he was tough enough to handle it. The cat stopped crapping in our garden and my friend wasn't as tough as he initially believed...

I just read the whole thread and this ones the best!!
i'm gonna go find my bear spray and a cat......
 
Some of us have taken uncountable thousands of shots with rifles and shotguns. How many practice cans of pepper spray do the fans use in "practice"? None? Almost none? Is there a number less than none?

Accuracy is not overly important with bear spray. Testing a can or two will make most people proficient. They have nifty inert canisters for just this purpose or lots of people just shoot off an expired can. Seems kind of foolish not to be familiar with any form of self defence you choose. Anyone that's taken a bear safety course has fired at least one canister. With the amount of companies now requiring this course I suspect the number is fairly high. I know most of my sheep hunting buddies have shot off a canister or two. Seems crazy not to if you are relying on it to possibly save your life. I know I've shot dozens.

I wonder how many people practice shooting at a target running rapidly at them. Likely a lot less than have shot off a canister of bear spray.

One other thing that should be noted is that the strength and volume of bear spray in much higher than that of personal defence sprays.
 
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Spray seems to work for skunks, but anyone who is willing to develop the skills necessary to master rifle handling under threat, snap shooting, and shooting moving targets, should be up to the challenge of personal defense with a firearm if that is their preference. Provided that your drills have some relevance to reality, you will benefit from them. A little practice is better than none, but the first step is to understand the problem, then identify your deficiencies, and work at overcoming those weaknesses. Not everyone is good at self criticism, so you might benefit from the guidance of a good shooting coach. Some deficiencies can be resolved with just a little effort, and a slight change in technique. For example, when the pail accelerates rapidly towards you and you find yourself shooting behind it, that represents a pretty realistic problem. If we think back to the infamous canned lion hunt video of a few years ago (that's the one where the viewer was tempted to cheer for the lion and ignore the lessons that could be learned) we recall that the lion nearly won. When the lion charged, both the PH his clients shot behind it, due to the difficulty of solving 3 marksmanship problems under stress:
1) The angle between the target and the muzzle was constantly changing, as was the apparent size of the target,
2) The target speed was accelerating, which when combined with the first problem made estimating the lead complicated,
3) The target's trajectory moved vertically as well as horizontally.

The easiest way to solve this problem be it on pails, lions, or bears, is to lower your bullet's trajectory by shooting from a kneeling position. You can acquire the position very quickly and it puts the trajectory of your bullet on the same horizontal plane as the length of your target. Once you are shooting on the same plane as the target, there is no need to lead it, so the vertical displacement is the only motion you have to allow for. Some years ago in an old bear defense thread, Bone Collector recommended this technique, and although I instantly saw the wisdom of it, I questioned if in a real world, dangerous bear encounter, I could make myself use it. The problem is that when you kneel, you're anchored in place and can't move out of the way. Guess what, it turns out I can use it, and the knowledge that even when under difficult circumstances I can place my shot on target, provides me with the confidence to prevail. Thanks Bone wherever you are.
 
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Accuracy is not overly important with bear spray. Testing a can or two will make most people proficient. They have nifty inert canisters for just this purpose or lots of people just shoot off an expired can. Seems kind of foolish not to be familiar with any form of self defence you choose. Anyone that's taken a bear safety course has fired at least one canister. With the amount of companies now requiring this course I suspect the number is fairly high. I know most of my sheep hunting buddies have shot off a canister or two. Seems crazy not to if you are relying on it to possibly save your life. I know I've shot dozens.

I wonder how many people practice shooting at a target running rapidly at them. Likely a lot less than have shot off a canister of bear spray.

One other thing that should be noted is that the strength and volume of bear spray in much higher than that of personal defence sprays.

I can guarantee you that a lot of "bear courses" don't involve shooting off any spray at all, having been forced to sit through several. Some companies are actually doing an online course, multiple choice. You can bet your last primer that any company that has a "no gun " policy is going to side with pepper.
 
I can guarantee you that a lot of "bear courses" don't involve shooting off any spray at all, having been forced to sit through several. Some companies are actually doing an online course, multiple choice. You can bet your last primer that any company that has a "no gun " policy is going to side with pepper.

Any real course will see you firing off at least one inert canister as well as bangers and whistlers.
 
Any real course will see you firing off at least one inert canister.

Well it would be better, that's for sure. "Real" is a relative term. These are real to the point that a company is paying a lot of CYA money for them, and are what a huge amount of people are required to take. If real involves being good for something then they are not. "Good for something" is also a relative term. Good for a company to have something on paper so they can say "we told him not to pet the bears". Back to CYA mode.
 
There are many excellent instructors and courses out there and many companies are taking advantage of them. My point being that you indicated that no one had ever fired a canister of bear spray for practice and that is obviously false. Even in my group of hunting friends I'd say that 90-100% have. We spend a lot of time in the mountains...sometimes armed and sometimes not and take our personal safety seriously and that includes practicing with all methods of self defence. Bear spray works.......if you know how to use it.
 
When ever my wife goes on a road trip I make sure she has her bear spray, cause a handgun is illegal. I know it is devastating on humans, it ain't that crappy pepper spray for self defense or mace which also isn't legal in Canada. See there really is a use for bear spray, and she's been itching to try it, so if you see a black Mercedes GL 320 CDI on the highway, don't stop, she is probably trying to suck somebody in to try her bear spray on!!!! You've been warned.............

Probably the best use for it. 2 legged predators!
 
There are many excellent instructors and courses out there and many companies are taking advantage of them. My point being that you indicated that no one had ever fired a canister of bear spray for practice and that is obviously false. Even in my group of hunting friends I'd say that 90-100% have. We spend a lot of time in the mountains...sometimes armed and sometimes not and take our personal safety seriously and that includes practicing with all methods of self defence. Bear spray works.......if you know how to use it.

Want to take the high noon test?
 
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