MP7 in 5.7x28mm

foxbat said:
The poor terminal effects on putting down Tangos, has doomed HKMP7, in either diminutive calibre, to the 'graveyard of irrelevant firearms'.
Not to say they aren't, along with FN's P90, a blast to shoot...as long as the 'fun switch' is present.
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The MP7 (and P90) were never meant for door kickers to "put down tangos" and it's baffling to me that anyone would press them into that role.


So an unobtanium gun in the opponents obscure ammo.
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I think the idea is "FORMERLY unobtanium gun in the opponents similar, but vastly more available ammo"

Why not a 9mm?
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Because you can already get those, they're called the BT TP9
 
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I read that GSG9 is a venture of Todd Bailey.

If my memory serves me right, he made a living of making HK Clones. The company Special Weapons was mostly remembered for its lack of quality and he was the most hated person on the internet back in those days. After Special Weapons, he tried the hardest to hide his name from the companies he ran.

I am highly skeptical of anything that is made by this company.

If you want a plastic "machine pistol", head straight to B&T TP9 and never look back.
 
Jarvy said:
The MP7 (and P90) were never meant for door kickers to "put down tangos" and it's baffling to me that anyone would press them into that role.




I think the idea is "FORMERLY unobtanium gun in the opponents similar, but vastly more available ammo"



Because you can already get those, they're called the BT TP9
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I believe the MP7 was designed scecifically for blasting tangos, perhaps not as a primary "do all" gun but it was not designed as a recreational firearm..
 
Kidd X said:
I believe the MP7 was designed scecifically for blasting tangos, perhaps not as a primary "do all" gun but it was not designed as a recreational firearm..
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It (and the P90) were designed for less-trained rear echelon troops to "blast tangos" if ambushed and given no option, which is not at all the same thing.

The MP7 was designed to be about as unobtrusive as a pistol because hopefully you'd never actually have to use it, but it would be much better than a pistol if you did.
 
Jarvy said:
It (and the P90) were designed for less-trained rear echelon troops to "blast tangos" if ambushed and given no option, which is not at all the same thing.

The MP7 was designed to be about as unobtrusive as a pistol because hopefully you'd never actually have to use it, but it would be much better than a pistol if you did.
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They were designed for close protection forces... where you want a blend of concealability and firepower...
 
Jarvy said:
It (and the P90) were designed for less-trained rear echelon troops to "blast tangos" if ambushed and given no option, which is not at all the same thing.

The MP7 was designed to be about as unobtrusive as a pistol because hopefully you'd never actually have to use it, but it would be much better than a pistol if you did.
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Killing the odd bad guy or a regular stream of them, if the cartridge sucks at the job it sucks at the job..
 
Still crying over the failed used popo to civi semi mp7 attempt years ago. Since HK don't (can't) export due to German export restrictions, this may be as good as it gets.

I heard that there was a little cottage industry down south making those "Special Weapons" HK clones function better. Mostly people heading over to HKparts to fix the stock junk from SW. (Maybe to same on this?)

Fingers crossed on any mp7 possibilities though...
 
Kidd X said:
I believe the MP7 was designed scecifically for blasting tangos, perhaps not as a primary "do all" gun but it was not designed as a recreational firearm..
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Well, then you apparently believe wrong. The MP7 like the FN P90 was designed as a PDW for second-echelon combat support troops as well as those specialists manning crew-served weapons, communications equipment, and so forth within conventional military forces. In other words, they were designed for soldiers whose primary job is not to fight in the presence of an armed enemy, and who need only defend themselves from lesser rear-area and asymmetric threats. Due to their handy small size, relatively high capacity and ability to penetrate most soft body armour, these PDWs immediately found favour with SOF for low-profile/clandestine operations as well as CQB door-kicking work. But they weren't designed to "slot tangos". They were designed to put down Spetsnaz soldiers wearing archaic Soviet body armour and tin helmets out to 300m from defensive firing positions in the hands of rear-echelon troops. That they were appropriated by SOF for other roles and tasks has nothing to do with their original design intent.
 
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