MR556 vs MR556A1

pbr streetgang

pbr streetgang

CGN frequent flyer
EE Expired
Rating - 100%
35   0   0
Location
Vancouver
So the U.S market will soon have the option to purchase an AR interchangeable version of the MR556 rifle know as the MR556A1. I'm wondering if there will ever be day when we will see an MR223A1???
Maybe they just need to see interest from the Canadian market....

Just a thought...
 
For the cases when it doesn't come with a lower.
There are few people who got the upper only and were dissapointed to see
that it doesn't fit the AR lower.
 
Dr.Lector said:
For the cases when it doesn't come with a lower.
There are few people who got the upper only and were dissapointed to see
that it doesn't fit the AR lower.
Click to expand...

Well that's stupid. That's why you always research a product before buying. Probably should have just spent the extra money and bought a real deal 416 upper. Where the hell would you get the MR223/556 upper by itself anyway?
 
angryeyebrows said:
Well that's stupid. That's why you always research a product before buying. Probably should have just spent the extra money and bought a real deal 416 upper. Where the hell would you get the MR223/556 upper by itself anyway?
Click to expand...


Spending an extra $3 to $4 grand doesn't seem like a good option to me, plus at the time only 10.4 inch barrel was readily available, with MR223 you get a match grade barrel with an H&K lower. The only difference is the pins being off set by 6mm.

Its a great rifle, who needs the MR556 it isn't even completely made in Germany, other company's are getting a piece of the action making it too. This is fine, but up here in Canada we are actually getting a better deal, plus remember we have ours selling up here already where in the US they are still waiting, mind you they have better access to the actual 416 uppers.

The differences here are just the markings on the rifle, pins offset, and no full-auto. Consider us lucky we still have this as an option.
 
People are complaining about the 6mm offset only because they cannot use regular P-mag. That is the only valid complaint about the original MR223 lower.

Otherwise, people are just picking faults on it - no one EVER complains about the incompatibility between G36/SL8, G3/91....people never talk about about swapping lowers on Swiss Arms. Have I ever heard people demanding to buy a lower, and requesting Swiss arms upper kits?

No, because Swiss Arms won't do it. In canada, you cannot get a registered sear anyways, nor does anyone need to pay a 200 dollars tax stamp for SBR. Swapping upper is just a novel idea but not necessary, especially the HK 416/223 needs to use a different buffer system!!!


Sure you can go find a HK416 upper...but not everyone is connected to FN sports sale department or some movie armouries.
 
Dr.Lector said:
For the cases when it doesn't come with a lower.
There are few people who got the upper only and were dissapointed to see
that it doesn't fit the AR lower.
Click to expand...

Really? Has anyone been able to buy a MR223 upper separately on its own? I really don't think that anyone has actually experienced this, and this is merely a hypothetical situation.
 
Leibermuster said:
Spending an extra $3 to $4 grand doesn't seem like a good option to me, plus at the time only 10.4 inch barrel was readily available, with MR223 you get a match grade barrel with an H&K lower. The only difference is the pins being off set by 6mm.

Its a great rifle, who needs the MR556 it isn't even completely made in Germany, other company's are getting a piece of the action making it too. This is fine, but up here in Canada we are actually getting a better deal, plus remember we have ours selling up here already where in the US they are still waiting, mind you they have better access to the actual 416 uppers.

The differences here are just the markings on the rifle, pins offset, and no full-auto. Consider us lucky we still have this as an option.
Click to expand...

The 416 upper is $3995 US and the MR223 sells for $4199 CAN. I don't know where you get your $3 to $4K extra from. At MOST the upper sells for $5K. That's all beside the point, I simply commented that anyone who somehow managed to buy themselves a neutered MR223/556 upper thinking it would flop right on a mil spec lower is a moron who didn't research the product.

For me, compatibility is everything. The more commonality of parts, the better. I will never own the offset HK rifles for that very reason. I tried the 416 but in the end it had to go. There were too many cons and not enough pros.
 
angryeyebrows said:
The 416 upper is $3995 US and the MR223 sells for $4199 CAN. I don't know where you get your $3 to $4K extra from. At MOST the upper sells for $5K. That's all beside the point, I simply commented that anyone who somehow managed to buy themselves a neutered MR223/556 upper thinking it would flop right on a mil spec lower is a moron who didn't research the product.

For me, compatibility is everything. The more commonality of parts, the better. I will never own the offset HK rifles for that very reason. I tried the 416 but in the end it had to go. There were too many cons and not enough pros.
Click to expand...

You can't go to a gunstore in Canada and buy one for that price!

Your quoting HKparts.net, that is the US Arizona if i remember correctly, they sell here for 2 times that here, the offset pins point is mute in most circumstances.
 
alexD92 said:
Other then the offset receiver pins/holes whats incompatible?
Click to expand...

The pins are the whole point. Again like I said, for me, the compatibility with the AR lower is everything. With out it you get:

- No Pmags
- No TD Arcs
- No Lancer Mags
- No FA compatibility
- No upper swapping ability
- AND yet another restricted rifle on your license

Just not for me...and apparently I'm not alone since they've produced the A1 version for this reason.

I like having the ability to swap upper receivers. I don't agree with GT's point that upper swapping is a novelty and you CAN use the HK buffer with other uppers.

Leibermuster said:
You can't go to a gunstore in Canada and buy one for that price!

Your quoting HKparts.net, that is the US Arizona if i remember correctly, they sell here for 2 times that here, the offset pins point is mute in most circumstances.
Click to expand...

Of course you can't buy one from a dealer! They aren't allowed to be exported from Germany unless it's to a Mil or LE end user. They do NOT sell for two times the HK parts price. The uppers that are in Canada generally go for around $4.5-5K not $8K. The fact is that they are around if someone really wanted one. Just like the G36, MP7 and UMP. If you want the real deal, you have to pay the big bucks. Otherwise be happy with your neutered Civilian version and justify it whatever way you like.
 
angryeyebrows said:
The pins are the whole point. Again like I said, for me, the compatibility with the AR lower is everything. With out it you get:

- No Pmags
- No TD Arcs
- No Lancer Mags
- No FA compatibility
- No upper swapping ability
- AND yet another restricted rifle on your license

Just not for me...and apparently I'm not alone since they've produced the A1 version for this reason.

I like having the ability to swap upper receivers. I don't agree with GT's point that upper swapping is a novelty and you CAN use the HK buffer with other uppers.



Of course you can't buy one from a dealer! They aren't allowed to be exported from Germany unless it's to a Mil or LE end user. They do NOT sell for two times the HK parts price. The uppers that are in Canada generally go for around $4.5-5K not $8K. The fact is that they are around if someone really wanted one. Just like the G36, MP7 and UMP. If you want the real deal, you have to pay the big bucks. Otherwise be happy with your neutered Civilian version and justify it whatever way you like.
Click to expand...



Yes sir! Seems as tho you get it!
 
angryeyebrows said:
The pins are the whole point. Again like I said, for me, the compatibility with the AR lower is everything. With out it you get:

- No Pmags
- No TD Arcs
- No Lancer Mags
- No FA compatibility
- No upper swapping ability
- AND yet another restricted rifle on your license

Just not for me...and apparently I'm not alone since they've produced the A1 version for this reason.

I like having the ability to swap upper receivers. I don't agree with GT's point that upper swapping is a novelty and you CAN use the HK buffer with other uppers.



Of course you can't buy one from a dealer! They aren't allowed to be exported from Germany unless it's to a Mil or LE end user. They do NOT sell for two times the HK parts price. The uppers that are in Canada generally go for around $4.5-5K not $8K. The fact is that they are around if someone really wanted one. Just like the G36, MP7 and UMP. If you want the real deal, you have to pay the big bucks. Otherwise be happy with your neutered Civilian version and justify it whatever way you like.
Click to expand...

Who is getting them for that price, on ee they were selling for how much again...lol. Come on man, where do you get neutered version from? a proper 416 lower doesn't take the pmags any ways. Emag yes and SA/80 Gen 1, 2,3, yes. If you really want you can modify the Pmags to fit and feed properly as well too.

The only thing different is the pins are off set that is it! Who cares..I think your obsessed with writing on rifle and not realizing that its the same gun in fact the version we have here in Canada is upgraded with a target barrel and your upper from the states comes in either a 10.4 or 14.5 barrel.

To use the word neutered is completely unjustified, and does not accurately fit with the definition you are looking for in your reasoning.(example SL8 would) If the 416 upper in 10.4 or 14.5 is around sure take it, but for the money and given the choice if your fantasy war breaks out, I'm taking the MR223 with 16 inch+ barrel. This is what I own, yes i would like 10.4 barrel as well from H&K sometimes, but then your giving a little reach on that.

It would have been great if they had not done that to the pins, but hey at least we get to use the same rifle with same body and a better barrel:)
 
Last edited:
We are comparing apply to orange - Those HK 416 uppers are grey market. The MR223 is officially supported by the factory.

There are only so many of these grey HK416 uppers bouncing around the market - for most of the people who actually shoot the rifle, the MR223 is no different from the HK416 in terms of erogonmic (unlike the SL8) At least if there is an issue, back it goes to the HK factory if it is a MR223. It is cool to have a 416 upper, but really for people who shoot the rifle, it does not make a difference if the pin is offset 6mm. I played the G36 games years ago - it is a toy that you pray that it won't break for some freak reasons.

I do not get it how FA compatibility and PMag are overridingly important. I see that some people do not like to have an "extra lower" registered. Howevever, this logic does not seem to extend to Swiss arms or TAVOR.

If you buy the rifle for collection, then yeh, a 416 upper is more "authentic". But if you just want to shoot the rifle, the MR223 offers nothing less in the function, material quality and ergonomic departments from the 416. This is not a DPMS vs Colt discussion - this is the same ranting about Colt that people went on and on about the larger diameter of fire control pins for years. In reality, when was the last time someone actually broke the fire control pin or swap it out for the sake of swapping it out?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom