MRA renegade and Spectre ballistics builds

[PPCLI-Jim]

Just put one together in .223 Rem , 11" barrel, with non collapsing stock 685 mm total length. Very hand little size !

 

[Ustauk]

^^
Cool find! They also have 12.5" in .223 available with no gas port.

 

[driller212]

So I am looking to build a 300blk upper in the near future, and I have somewhat forgotten all of the specifics of OAL. Does OAL include the muzzle device as well? Its been a long time since I delved into this rabbit hole. I was thinking of using a 7.5" barrel with a longer muzzle device to get it to 26"OAL but I cannot remember if the OAL only includes barrel length to buttstock or not. I remember the RCMP really challenging a lot of the specifics back in the day with reference to shorty shotguns.


EDIT: looked it up and anything that requires tools to remove and results in 26" OAL is good to go it seems.

 

[hifiwasabi]

My 300blk build. Mucho lighter than my Grendel build.

 

[Ustauk]

For those with long barrel LPC builds, True North Arms now has made in Canada folding adapter for buffer tube stocks. It was developed for the WK-180C, but TNA has indicated it should work for buffer tube stock firearms that don't use a recoil spring.

Would a Renegade be able to use a folding adapter for transport purposes if a captured return spring was used, like the on the WWSD 2020?

 

[Shazam]

For those with long barrel LPC builds, True North Arms now has made in Canada folding adapter for buffer tube stocks. It was developed for the WK-180C, but TNA has indicated it should work for buffer tube stock firearms that don't use a recoil spring.

Would a Renegade be able to use a folding adapter for transport purposes if a captured return spring was used, like the on the WWSD 2020?

That’s a great idea. I’m waiting for my LPC and there appears to be no spring. I guess the overall requirement is that it’s over 660mm. This could be fine and remain non restricted for a 14.5” bbl.

 

[Ustauk]

That’s a great idea. I’m waiting for my LPC and there appears to be no spring. I guess the overall requirement is that it’s over 660mm. This could be fine and remain non restricted for a 14.5” bbl.

The LPC is pure manual action, and does not need a return spring; indeed, the buffer tube socket ends in a wall, not a hole . The TNA folding adapter will have no issue working with the LPC.

Please ignore my speculation regarding a captured spring and the Renegade with the TNA adapter; looking at the picture, there is no provision for anything to travel through the adapter. The plus side is the tongue and groove interface looks nice and tight.

 

[Ustauk]

People have mentioned that the spring assist on the Renegade can be a bit noisy, potentially scaring away game. Although it wouldn't help with TNA adapter (embarrassed grin), would the JP Silent Capture Spring potentially be of help? According to Bloke on the Range YouTube first European look at the What Would Stoner Do 2020 , the Captured Spring prevents the "Sproing" sound usually associated with the buffer tube spring. Could MRA make something similar locally, or can the JP one be purchased in Canada from a retailer?

 

[DVX]

I'm still on the fence on these, even more so after a cop friend of mine who is familiar with the MRA receiver sets said the word he's been hearing has been that police will soon start classifying these as "ghost guns", since they're home made guns with no record of them entering the country, and no serial numbers on file anywhere, they aren't registered, and there's no FRT for them. Take that for what it's worth, but he's staying away from them for that exact reason. He's also a gun owner, so don't confuse him with an anti.

2 years ago, I would have called anyone nuts if they told me the RCMP will ban bolt action, but given the current climate and current regime occupying Ottawa, I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[drift1122]

Ah here comes the fun police.

I'm still on the fence on these, even more so after a cop friend of mine who is familiar with the MRA receiver sets said the word he's been hearing has been that police will soon start classifying these as "ghost guns", since they're home made guns with no record of them entering the country, and no serial numbers on file anywhere, they aren't registered, and there's no FRT for them. Take that for what it's worth, but he's staying away from them for that exact reason. He's also a gun owner, so don't confuse him with an anti.

2 years ago, I would have called anyone nuts if they told me the RCMP will ban bolt action, but given the current climate and current regime occupying Ottawa, I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[Bittereinder]

I'm still on the fence on these, even more so after a cop friend of mine who is familiar with the MRA receiver sets said the word he's been hearing has been that police will soon start classifying these as "ghost guns", since they're home made guns with no record of them entering the country, and no serial numbers on file anywhere, they aren't registered, and there's no FRT for them. Take that for what it's worth, but he's staying away from them for that exact reason. He's also a gun owner, so don't confuse him with an anti.

2 years ago, I would have called anyone nuts if they told me the RCMP will ban bolt action, but given the current climate and current regime occupying Ottawa, I wouldn't put it past them.

I won't go into the stupidly obvious reasons and give antis ideas, but if it's true that some are thinking this, what a patent absurdity. There is no meaningful difference from any other NR firearm in terms of what one could do with intent to violate existing laws.

 

[Smitticus]

Silly questions from a semi non experienced MSR type guy. Will Magpul PRS work on these or would they need an adapter? I tragically lost a STAG-10 in a recent boating accident, but managed to save the PRS.

 

[Shazam]

Silly questions from a semi non experienced MSR type guy. Will Magpul PRS work on these or would they need an adapter? I tragically lost a STAG-10 in a recent boating accident, but managed to save the PRS.

PRS just needs a standard buffer tube to mount onto.

I need a boat

 

[Hitzy]

I'm still on the fence on these, even more so after a cop friend of mine who is familiar with the MRA receiver sets said the word he's been hearing has been that police will soon start classifying these as "ghost guns", since they're home made guns with no record of them entering the country, and no serial numbers on file anywhere, they aren't registered, and there's no FRT for them. Take that for what it's worth, but he's staying away from them for that exact reason. He's also a gun owner, so don't confuse him with an anti.

2 years ago, I would have called anyone nuts if they told me the RCMP will ban bolt action, but given the current climate and current regime occupying Ottawa, I wouldn't put it past them.

Nothing "ghost" about these receiver sets, they are s/n'd and have the makers name and model on them, you need a PAL to buy one and the gun shops record the sale, same as any other NR rifle out there...your cop buddy knows very little.

 

[old303]

Silly questions from a semi non experienced MSR type guy. Will Magpul PRS work on these or would they need an adapter? I tragically lost a STAG-10 in a recent boating accident, but managed to save the PRS.

I bought a Magpul PRS stock just before the OIC last spring, never got to use it, then heard about the need for an A2 plate on the Renegade and waited for that, but then found that Magpul had kindly included two adaptor collars, one for the plain round A2 buffer tube with a peg at the bottom of the front of the adaptor to fit the hole in the plate and avoid rotation, and the other adaptor with a slotted underside for the newer buffer tubes with the rib underneath, which would have worked with the Renegade's original buffer plate. Not sure if this is a newer feature from Magpul and maybe older PRS stocks only fit the older kind of tube?

 

[gpremier01]

People actually bought those?
Lol

 

[DVX]

I won't go into the stupidly obvious reasons and give antis ideas, but if it's true that some are thinking this, what a patent absurdity. There is no meaningful difference from any other NR firearm in terms of what one could do with intent to violate existing laws.

I don't think that was the point. Where the CBSA accepts and records imports of most bolt action guns, and the RCMP issues FRT numbers to models in country, these are built by gun owners with next to no oversight, and no paper trail. They are guns built at home, and nobody knows about them being here. I think that was the point of wanting to classify them as ghost guns. If the RCMP goes that route, there's really nothing we can do to stop them, sadly.

 

[Armedsask]

I'm still on the fence on these, even more so after a cop friend of mine who is familiar with the MRA receiver sets said the word he's been hearing has been that police will soon start classifying these as "ghost guns", since they're home made guns with no record of them entering the country, and no serial numbers on file anywhere, they aren't registered, and there's no FRT for them. Take that for what it's worth, but he's staying away from them for that exact reason. He's also a gun owner, so don't confuse him with an anti.

2 years ago, I would have called anyone nuts if they told me the RCMP will ban bolt action, but given the current climate and current regime occupying Ottawa, I wouldn't put it past them.

This is hands down the stupidest thing I've read on the Internet today. "Ghost guns"? They are literally no different than any other non-restricted bolt action rifle in the country. There is absolutely an FRT for the MRA rifle, you gate hinge.

The MRA is a ghost gun as much as a factory Remington 870 or a Ruger 10/22.

 

[Bittereinder]

I don't think that was the point. Where the CBSA accepts and records imports of most bolt action guns, and the RCMP issues FRT numbers to models in country, these are built by gun owners with next to no oversight, and no paper trail. They are guns built at home, and nobody knows about them being here. I think that was the point of wanting to classify them as ghost guns. If the RCMP goes that route, there's really nothing we can do to stop them, sadly.

What Hitzy said:

Nothing "ghost" about these receiver sets, they are s/n'd and have the makers name and model on them, you need a PAL to buy one and the gun shops record the sale, same as any other NR rifle out there...your cop buddy knows very little.

 

[Hitzy]

I don't think that was the point. Where the CBSA accepts and records imports of most bolt action guns, and the RCMP issues FRT numbers to models in country, these are built by gun owners with next to no oversight, and no paper trail. They are guns built at home, and nobody knows about them being here. I think that was the point of wanting to classify them as ghost guns. If the RCMP goes that route, there's really nothing we can do to stop them, sadly.

Just Google "ghost gun" FFS so you have a clue what you are talking about, these are not "guns built at home" FFS.