MSAR STG-556 Any News?

I do not think you get the point. I am sure the people at RCMP know better to look below the surface. Do not guess. There is no guessing. It has been clearly demonstrated using factual evidence that the MSAR 556 has nothing to do with AUG.

If the MSAR 556 is prohib because it is an AUG, then the Swiss arms should be prohib too. Look has nothing to do with it. It issthe "linkage by heritage" if you still do not get it. In your universe, the swiss arms should be prohib becasue it used the AK bolt design....the AR180 should be restricted because it uses the same mult-lug locking as the AR15.

The fact that you talk about the VZ58 and AK in the same sentence really shows that you don't have enough command on this subject. "Look" has nothing to do with classification. It is not about "look", never about "LOOK". People think "look" is the main factor because they do not comprehend the wording of the regulation and try to blame the RCMP for their ignorance. Of course, RCMP makes mistakes too even they are in general quite on top fo things - then people just go in frustration instead of using logical and proper interpretation to support their arguement.


Epoxy7 said:
I sure hope that rifle doesn't become prohibited, but I'm not holding my breath. My other concern will be the price. I've noticed in Canada a $1000 rifle costs about $1700. At a US base price of $1600, I think the cost will be over my head.

My main concern is it's a derivative of the Aug. Sure it doesn't mean it's a variation but I guess we'll find out how similiar it really is. If it's too close that will screw us over. Plus the fact that frankly it looks like an Aug might make it harder.

If the PE-90 looked like an Ak there might have been some problems. The only reason the CZ that looks like an AK gets by is because the internals are different and proven not to be a variation or derivative of the AK.

Our firearms classifications are pretty strange in this country.
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No need to jump on me. I'm simply trying not to get my hopes up. I like that rifle a lot.

Maybe a slightly less volatile question?
So which colour do you guys like best?
I've always been a fan of black, but the green with black receiver etc looks more Classic Aug. The tan is neat, but again I think I'd go with classic.

Also I noticed they say the barrels and chambers are match grade?
I'd love to see a 24 inch bull barrel on one. Naturally I'd have to get a shorter barrel as well for plinking at the range. It's nice how the barrels swap out so fast.

I wonder how accuarte they are?
 
Epoxy7 said:
It's nice how the barrels swap out so fast.

I wonder how accuarte they are?
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epoxy (I like your nick BTW), those quick swap barrels are my main concern. How gun can be accurate if scope isn't part of a barrel in some form and you just swapped barrels? I think accuracy is out of question. It sure looks better than Tavor but, this AUG's cross-dressing seems nothing more than just marketing trick. Speaking of Tavor, compare factory mounted scope sitting right on the barrel, I think this is the way to go.
 
22lr said:
epoxy (I like your nick BTW), those quick swap barrels are my main concern. How gun can be accurate if scope isn't part of a barrel in some form and you just swapped barrels? I think accuracy is out of question. It sure looks better than Tavor but, this AUG's cross-dressing seems nothing more than just marketing trick. Speaking of Tavor, compare factory mounted scope sitting right on the barrel, I think this is the way to go.
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As with any quick change barrel, you'll most likely be sighting it in again every time you remove the barrel.

Which is why I don't see what the big deal is about quick change barrels. I'm all for easy change barrels with minimal tools but see no point in a no-tool, field stripable barrel (ie: Masada).
 
Armedsask,

I was issued an AUG for about 8 years. Removal of the barrel and replacement does not affect zero on the weapon. They are precision made weapons. I remember being at the SHOT show last year in Florida listening to the MAGPUL rep with their new rifle. He said that no rifle with a quick change barrel retains zero...using LMT as an example. I piped up out of the crowd and mentioned the AUG. He apologised to everyone and said that yes the AUG does retain zero and then stated "exept for the AUG, combat rifles do not retain zero with a removable barrel in most cases".

Let's hope the MSAR 556 is good enough quality to do the same.

Rich
 
Actually I think I would go with black after thinking it through.

That rifle will have tough competition from the PE-90.

What are the triggers like on the AUG? I know they are set up for two stage pull with the second stage being full auto on the military versions. I wonder how it will be for the civilian ones. Also the Bull pup has a disadvantage when it comes to the trigger mechanism.

When they come out, it will be interesting to see some real world range reports and articles on it.

When I was in Austria a buddy of my best friend's was in the army there. I tried to weasel some time on the AUG, but as expected it was a no go.:(
 
Rich LPS said:
Armedsask,

I was issued an AUG for about 8 years. Removal of the barrel and replacement does not affect zero on the weapon. They are precision made weapons. I remember being at the SHOT show last year in Florida listening to the MAGPUL rep with their new rifle. He said that no rifle with a quick change barrel retains zero...using LMT as an example. I piped up out of the crowd and mentioned the AUG. He apologised to everyone and said that yes the AUG does retain zero and then stated "exept for the AUG, combat rifles do not retain zero with a removable barrel in most cases".

Let's hope the MSAR 556 is good enough quality to do the same.

Rich
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I stand corrected. I'm not familiar with the way the AUG barrel was attached. Now I'm very intrigued. I think that is a design feature I'll have to shamelessly steal for my rifle. :D
 
Dr_Scholl said:
The first 1,500 AUG's are limited edition and will be going for $1,900. After that, they'll be going for $1,600. That's not bad ....
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So these prices are in USD ? meaning if this rifle makes it to canada, it should be around 2400$ cdn. Even if it's a bit cheaper than the Tavor, i would rather spend 3k on a Tavor, which is made by a company that has much more experience with firearms.
 
Sniper1 said:
So these prices are in USD ? meaning if this rifle makes it to canada, it should be around 2400$ cdn. Even if it's a bit cheaper than the Tavor, i would rather spend 3k on a Tavor, which is made by a company that has much more experience with firearms.
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The people who designed the STG-556 have been working with AUG's for over 20 years. How much experience do you want?
 
Dr_Scholl said:
The people who designed the STG-556 have been working with AUG's for over 20 years. How much experience do you want?
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It's not the design that the concern, it's the manufacturer. Many others are thinking twice as well if you cruise some of the US forums...a lot of people were turned off by the repeated promises of delivery and have cancelled their orders.

Apparently they're finally being released. http://www.msarinc.com/product_updates.html
 
Yuri Orlov said:
It's not the design that the concern, it's the manufacturer. Many others are thinking twice as well if you cruise some of the US forums...a lot of people were turned off by the repeated promises of delivery and have cancelled their orders.

Apparently they're finally being released. http://www.msarinc.com/product_updates.html
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I don't think it'll be that bad. Look at Robarm. How many times did they say "2 more weeks" to XCR customers?
 
Humm I see that there is a 6.8 SPC conversion, interesting idea... I wonder if there will be a way to convert the tavor to that caliber or the 6.5 grendel...
 
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