Mueller Optics 8.5-25x44mm AO Eraticator REVIEWS??
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Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
I have read nothing but good reviews about the Mueller scopes, there is a very good review on the Whitefalls web-site, but I to would like to hear from a CGN'er who owns one, I am looking at the 3-10X44 TAC II.
I've been told not to go with unknown brands for the scopes, since quality for most of them isn't good.
Mueller seems to be the exeption, but I would like to hear that from an actual owner.
I'm not a hunter, I want to do long distance shooting.
thanks again.
Mueller seems to be the exeption, but I would like to hear that from an actual owner.
I'm not a hunter, I want to do long distance shooting.
thanks again.
I've had 2 muellers, both given to me by mueller to test out. We beat the living snot out of 'em and coulnd't break 'em.
These scopes are the real deal. I couldn't get over the quality for the price, especially the tac 2 which we put up against leupie vx-3's.
I haven't owned an eradicator, but amusingly enough i just heard from a buddy who helped with the mueller testing and he just was playing with one. Says it's the same quality of optics and look and feel as the multi-shot i've still got on my 30-06. So that would put it somewhere between a leupold vx-1 and a vx-2 in quality of optics, and closer to the vx-2, but you also get a lot of extra features. So if that's adequate for your needs, go to it. You'll probably need to get into the 700 - 1000 dollar range to do much better.
The ONLY two 'complaints' i have about the muellers is they tend to be heavier scopes than some of their counterparts (due no doubt in part to the illuminated dot reticle which adds weight) and eye relief is only about as good as a bushnell 4200 or so - adequate for sure, but not as sweet as a leupold.
I've bought several 'affordable' scopes from companies like swift optics and such , and i'd say 90 percent of the time you don't want to go that route, it's just not worth it to have a scope failure in the feild (and i have - twice). Muellers are the exception. If you hold a mueller and a 'cheap' scope, you'd notice the difference instantly without being told which is which. White falls is a dealer here for canada, and can hook you up. He'll also handle your warrenty work if its needed (lifetime transferable warrenty on those scopes, but only for scope failure or defects so don't drive your truck over it or anything
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These scopes are the real deal. I couldn't get over the quality for the price, especially the tac 2 which we put up against leupie vx-3's.
I haven't owned an eradicator, but amusingly enough i just heard from a buddy who helped with the mueller testing and he just was playing with one. Says it's the same quality of optics and look and feel as the multi-shot i've still got on my 30-06. So that would put it somewhere between a leupold vx-1 and a vx-2 in quality of optics, and closer to the vx-2, but you also get a lot of extra features. So if that's adequate for your needs, go to it. You'll probably need to get into the 700 - 1000 dollar range to do much better.
The ONLY two 'complaints' i have about the muellers is they tend to be heavier scopes than some of their counterparts (due no doubt in part to the illuminated dot reticle which adds weight) and eye relief is only about as good as a bushnell 4200 or so - adequate for sure, but not as sweet as a leupold.
I've bought several 'affordable' scopes from companies like swift optics and such , and i'd say 90 percent of the time you don't want to go that route, it's just not worth it to have a scope failure in the feild (and i have - twice). Muellers are the exception. If you hold a mueller and a 'cheap' scope, you'd notice the difference instantly without being told which is which. White falls is a dealer here for canada, and can hook you up. He'll also handle your warrenty work if its needed (lifetime transferable warrenty on those scopes, but only for scope failure or defects so don't drive your truck over it or anything
)The tac 2 is probably one of the best deals in new optics available at the moment at regular prices. They use a slightly different maunfacturing process vs their other scopes, and the tac 2 is made entirely in japan. It's a few bucks more than their other scopes, but you can see the difference - the colours are sharper, and it's a very bright scope and very clear optics. Their other scopes are good scopes don't get me wrong (and in fact i kept the mulit-shot for my hunting rifle) but that tac 2 could sell for 300 - 400 bucks more and still be a decent deal for the quality.
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- South Cariboo, BC
I have one of the 8.5-25X44AO, and I love it. I think the only negative with it is that the eye relief is a bit short, but that's not an issue for sub magnum calibers. I have mine on my 223 but wouldn't hesitate to use it on a 270 or 308 as far as eye relief or durability goes.
For close in yote calling it would be nice to have a bit lower magnification than the 8.5, but for long distance shooting this is a great scope.
As a side note I picked up another Mueller, the 4.5-14X40AO "APV" that I bought from Whitefalls (for $199 to my door!), and it is fantastic. No eye relief concerns at all, it's very generous and forgiving, and excellent clarity through the entire range of magnification.
The windage and elevation knobs seem to be very accurate in that I only had to make one adjustment for each direction when sighting in the rifle and it was dead on. My first shot was 6" high and 2" to the left. 16 clicks down and the next shot was dead on at 2" high, still 2" to the left. 8 clicks right and it split the vertical centerline on the target while remaining 2" high. It has remained there through another 40+ rounds of 270win.
I certainly didn't expect that level of accuracy in clicks from a scope at this price. I'll be putting these on other hunting rifles, and I'm actually considering one of these to replace the 8.5-25 on my .223 during coyote season.
For close in yote calling it would be nice to have a bit lower magnification than the 8.5, but for long distance shooting this is a great scope.
As a side note I picked up another Mueller, the 4.5-14X40AO "APV" that I bought from Whitefalls (for $199 to my door!), and it is fantastic. No eye relief concerns at all, it's very generous and forgiving, and excellent clarity through the entire range of magnification.
The windage and elevation knobs seem to be very accurate in that I only had to make one adjustment for each direction when sighting in the rifle and it was dead on. My first shot was 6" high and 2" to the left. 16 clicks down and the next shot was dead on at 2" high, still 2" to the left. 8 clicks right and it split the vertical centerline on the target while remaining 2" high. It has remained there through another 40+ rounds of 270win.
I certainly didn't expect that level of accuracy in clicks from a scope at this price. I'll be putting these on other hunting rifles, and I'm actually considering one of these to replace the 8.5-25 on my .223 during coyote season.
I have the 8.5-25X50 eraticator and have owned it a few years now. It it a fantastic scope for the money. It sits atop my 204 gopher/yote slayer.
I feel it is as good as any equivalent Bushnell. Crisp and contrasty optics, 1/8 minute clicks are accurate and it tracks well. The target dot is bigger than i would personally like, but I think even the fine target dot from Leopold is too big...
Do homework re pricing. There are lots new on ebay and most will ship and use p*ypal.
My only complaint is the AO instead of side focus, but that's only personal preference.
I feel it is as good as any equivalent Bushnell. Crisp and contrasty optics, 1/8 minute clicks are accurate and it tracks well. The target dot is bigger than i would personally like, but I think even the fine target dot from Leopold is too big...
Do homework re pricing. There are lots new on ebay and most will ship and use p*ypal.
My only complaint is the AO instead of side focus, but that's only personal preference.
Well after reading all this positive opions on these scopes, I am looking for a scope for my Rem 970 Shotgun with a rifled barrel. Do you think any of there scope would be ok for my application? Is the 1x35 MX1 good enough or even would a Mueller 2-7x32 Multi-Shot be good enough?
Any help would be good
Any help would be good
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- South Cariboo, BC
cereal83 - The multi shot was originally designed for shotgun or muzzleloaders and should do the job very well. If you want an idea of how good it is, try and get Foxer to sell his!
I bought a 50mm Mueller at gun show, my m305 beat the hell out of it in a few hundred rounds. It had nice glass, very clear from all angles, a beautiful scope, the cross-hairs (reticle) broke and slid sideways though. I read the website for Mueller and contacted White Falls, unless you buy the scope from a certified dealer the warranty is void. I didn't realize this when I bought it and I was pretty pissed about it. Now that I have cooled down and can reflect, I have no idea what this scope was mounted on (or if it was indeed new) and White Falls informs me there are several companies making fake Muellers (and other scopes). This one was bought at a gun show as new, it didn't have any marks on the tube and I got it for a pretty good deal. It could have been a fake, I don't know. Mueller does have a good warranty, lifetime according to their website. I am needing another scope for my m305 and I am tempted after all the positive things I have read about both here and on US websites to get another Mueller, this time from a dealer so the warranty will be honored. Let this be a warning to everyone.... don't buy a used Mueller or at gunshows!
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- South Cariboo, BC
"Let this be a warning to everyone.... don't buy a used Mueller or at gunshows!"
That left me wondering about the warranty, if it's transferable to a new owner if the scope was originally purchased from White Falls. I had to write Phil about another topic, so I've added that question to my message and will post his answer here unless he does so himself.
I also asked him to specifically confirm that scope failure on a M305 is covered, as I plan to put a Mueller on mine too.
That left me wondering about the warranty, if it's transferable to a new owner if the scope was originally purchased from White Falls. I had to write Phil about another topic, so I've added that question to my message and will post his answer here unless he does so himself.
I also asked him to specifically confirm that scope failure on a M305 is covered, as I plan to put a Mueller on mine too.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
There is a review that says nothing but good things about Mueller and how the Warrenties are fully transferable if sold used and would be valid, has that since changed?
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- South Cariboo, BC
Steve David said:
I didn't notice that final line in Foxer's post. I was just responding to the quote shown in my post against buying one used. Glad to hear it's transferable.
Navy Gunner
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espritv8 said:
I'm running a Mueller 4-16x50AO Tactical illuminated Mildot reticle on my tikka tactical .308. I'v shot about 500 rounds and its stood up. Its an excellent scope, its not a leupold by any means, but its not bad for the price.
Navy Gunner
1shot said:
I have 3.3" of eye relief on my 30-06 with my Elite 3200. Your saying the 3.4" of eye relief on the mueller isn't enough for anything bigger then a 22-250?
Cariboo_kid,
Thanks for answering my question. I will seriously consider it alot more now.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
Here is a very good review of the scope and the excellent Warranty they have, I hope this works.
www.muelleroptics.com/downloads/docs/reviews/TacII.pdf
On page 2 of the above review, half way down on the right side, it talks about Canadian customers and mentions White Falls, and that even if the scope was not bought in Canada White Falls would still honour the warranty, also the warranty is fully transferable if you buy one used.
Now that is service, I am sold, my new scope for my new LTR is going to be the TAC II.
www.muelleroptics.com/downloads/docs/reviews/TacII.pdf
On page 2 of the above review, half way down on the right side, it talks about Canadian customers and mentions White Falls, and that even if the scope was not bought in Canada White Falls would still honour the warranty, also the warranty is fully transferable if you buy one used.
Now that is service, I am sold, my new scope for my new LTR is going to be the TAC II.
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