MUST READ about Grizzly - Jim Shockey's post re death of mother and baby daughter
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I do not know the complete facts about this incident. So pls. take this as a thought.
Mr. Sockeye is a business man who supports (lots) of money killing of people's food resources in Northern BC and the Yukon Teritory for his TV shows and clients - in short FOR HIS OWN PROFIT!
As to posted information he had his guides firing 17 times at a grizzly (possibly wounding it) without killing the animal, thereby conditioning this in his words "Apex Predator" to gunshots.... Is this good practice? Well, you tell me.
In our area were we live, hunt and gather this had never happened and we don't want his kind here.
Thank you, RR
Mr. Sockeye is a business man who supports (lots) of money killing of people's food resources in Northern BC and the Yukon Teritory for his TV shows and clients - in short FOR HIS OWN PROFIT!
As to posted information he had his guides firing 17 times at a grizzly (possibly wounding it) without killing the animal, thereby conditioning this in his words "Apex Predator" to gunshots.... Is this good practice? Well, you tell me.
In our area were we live, hunt and gather this had never happened and we don't want his kind here.
Thank you, RR
calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
You're making a comparison of and/or complaining about bears with no laws on their behaviour and people with laws on their behaviour?
Please tell me you are kidding.
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You got that backwards. Bears cant eat use, we defend ourselves.
THIS!
Jim Shockey's greedy self interest, self promotion and his commercialization of wildlife and hunting has done more to harm the image of hunters in non-hunters views than just about anything else in the last few decades.
His ego clearly knows no bounds. To take this tragedy and attempt to use it to gain more profit and business security for himself is just another example of how out of control his ego is. Bragging how he could have shot this particular bear earlier that year if only the rules were different...! Wonder what the father thinks of a self aggrandizing/promoting claim like that!
Yes change the rules so Jim Shockey can sell more wilderness Grizzly hunts and we will all be sooo much safer.
Better yet, allow someone with a commercial interest to determine wildlife management for all of us and see how that goes.
I am sure this couple would have known the risks better than most of us armchair opinion spewers but deemed the rewards of their wilderness rich lifestyle to be worth it all.
I doubt that they were wishing that Mr. Shockey's quota could have been increased so that the wilderness could have been made safer (and by association, less wild) for them...
RIP to the mother and child. May there always be families like this, living this lifestyle.
Definitely a terrible tragedy, my heart goes out to the family.
I wish the anti-hunting, anti-gun crowd fought as much as us. Then perhaps they would be as ineffective as we are.
It would also be nice if they skipped the grave dancing and grandstanding whenever they saw an opportunity to further their cause, however, I don't see them eating their own due to the practice.
We are so eager to fight for "our" cause that we turn on eachother, thus our track record of throwing our allies under the bus remains intact.
I wish the anti-hunting, anti-gun crowd fought as much as us. Then perhaps they would be as ineffective as we are.
It would also be nice if they skipped the grave dancing and grandstanding whenever they saw an opportunity to further their cause, however, I don't see them eating their own due to the practice.
We are so eager to fight for "our" cause that we turn on eachother, thus our track record of throwing our allies under the bus remains intact.
Yeah, should have shot the bear on his first transgression, no conditioning .
Grizz
Truly a tragic event. I cannot imagine the terror that was experienced by the Woman and her child. I can't imagine the hurt that the family members feel. There is a lot of emotion in all the posts on this thread so much so that I could actually understand Kamlookies post. It is this emotion that differentiates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.
RIP girls
RIP girls
Kudos to mr Shockley for making a statement. He’s got to know he’s going to take flack from haters on both sides yet he has an audience and some valid points gained from working in the exact area. I don’t know Jim personally but know guys who do and believe that he is as heartbroken with this story as the rest of us and at the “pissed off” stage of grieving.
It’s just you.
I’m guessing you don’t see grizzlies much.
They are wrong, humans are at the top of the evolutionary scale, and like the bears, should be able to go wherever they please.
Just as we take risks when we enter areas where they habituate, the bears should be also be vulnerable to us protecting ourselves against them, and hunting them.
"Should also be vulnerable to us", but we are being prevented by Citiot bureaucrats from being the dominate predator and nobody gave the bears the memo.
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A preventable tragedy happened now we got commenters going off on stupid tangents.
Point is that in life if you don't prepare and equip yourself to deal with known hazards you eventually pay the price.
It is well known that grizzlies frequent this area.
It is common sense to expect that a responsible and prudent person would equip themselves at the very least with pepper spray and know how to deploy it.
Especially if they potentially had the life of an infant to protect.
Would you take an infant out on a boat ride in a big lake without wearing life jackets or on a car trip without wearing a safety belt and strapping the kid in?
Same thing.
Point is that in life if you don't prepare and equip yourself to deal with known hazards you eventually pay the price.
It is well known that grizzlies frequent this area.
It is common sense to expect that a responsible and prudent person would equip themselves at the very least with pepper spray and know how to deploy it.
Especially if they potentially had the life of an infant to protect.
Would you take an infant out on a boat ride in a big lake without wearing life jackets or on a car trip without wearing a safety belt and strapping the kid in?
Same thing.
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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Maybe she had a handgun, shotgun and pepper spray, who knows. Maybe the bear attack was by surprise. Maybe she missed. If you flip your boat, you can be wearing all the life jackets you want, but may succumb to hypothermia anyhow.
Sometimes shlt happens, not everything is preventable.
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Didn't see it in the write up so I presumed she didn't have pepper spray or a gun.
You would think it would have been mentioned.
Apparently they were found in front of their cabin. (Not much of a walk huh?)
Maybe she went outside to use the outhouse. Or getting some kindling for the fire. Or maybe she walks back and forth from the woodshed to her porch over and over to calm her child down when it is fussy. Who knows for sure.
You (and others) make it sound like she was 30km from home and covered in bbq sauce looking for bear dens to take a selfy with her baby and a bear.
Yeah because the media is so well known for reporting all the facts of the case...
The bottom line is that the dad has to live with this new life because of choices made that cascade back minutes, days,weeks and years by himself and others. From choosing to make a camp there and leaving the cabin when he did to check the trap line. I am not blaming him but he is the one left to suffer along with any remaining kin. May he and they find some peace one day.
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