My 1944 mosin PU

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Sharing some pics of my mosin pu
Bought it back in ‘09, hand picked it out of a crate. Was drawn to it because it didn’t have any
shellac on it, like it was being refurbished and Igor accidentally put it in without paying attention to what he
was doing lol
Haven’t shot it , finally took it out of the safe and thought I’d share
All matching , scope matches the receiver etc.
Anyone shed some info on it ? Thoughts ?
Thanks for looking !
https://www.flickr.com/gp/192169126@N08/0g388b
 
If you got it "from the crate" like that, someone removed the shellack before you got to it.

Others will chime in soon, but this one has been stripped of its preservation shellack. The sling eyelets look cleaned up, and I can see where they missed some in the low spots. Some rifles did not get the storage "shellack treatment" but it looks different than this.

This is simply a case of someone removing it - the rifle is a refurb too, it has been arsenal re-blued.

If it shoots well, enjoy it.
 
It definitely looks like its been stripped or sanded of its proper finish. They are all shellacked with the red finish originally.
 
It pains me to see these mosin snipers being refinished. Its actually gotten difficult to find one that hasn't been refinished. They should look like this with the shellac and darkened forend.
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This is one of the refurbs made into a PU rifle which came in 2009. I had one of those - but mine was ####ty to say the least, returned it to the dealer . They weren't cheap at the time, I think 799 but not much demand. I bought one again 3 years ago for 450 but now prices are in the 850 to 950 range.
 
Philthy1 said:
It pains me to see these mosin snipers being refinished. Its actually gotten difficult to find one that hasn't been refinished. They should look like this with the shellac and darkened forend.
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Even the one in your pics looks like its been cleaned up. All the ones Ive ever seen have a somewhat sloppy shellac job that paints right over the brass bits, and the sling slots.
 
Magellann said:
Even the one in your pics looks like its been cleaned up. All the ones Ive ever seen have a somewhat sloppy shellac job that paints right over the brass bits, and the sling slots.
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yep, had one of those. If its's done right, the bent bolt work and the scopes are not cheap. Why they used it on crappy rifles is beyond me.


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scianna54 said:
yep, had one of those. If its's done right, the bent bolt work and the scopes are not cheap. Why they used it on crappy rifles is beyond me.


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What crappy rifle? Those things shoot pretty well. Besides, its not like they had anything else to work with at the time.
 
Sorry for the late reply

It’s not for sale ... what would it’s value be with the missing shellac?

I have 2. The other one is refurbished with the shellac but this one I couldn’t figure out and had a interesting cold factor


It’s a matching refurbished as far as I can see

If it’s a molot it would have the engraving under the front wood?


I covered up the SN because I see others do it lol. I wondered if it has something to do with it now being copied ?
 
Philthy1 said:
What crappy rifle? Those things shoot pretty well. Besides, its not like they had anything else to work with at the time.
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They most certainly do shoot well, even the Molot repros, when they're done properly.

I have an original PU sniper, that had its scope replaced, I don't know why. It definitely looks like its been there and done that. Not a bit of finish on any surfaces above the stock line. Lots of dents but no cracks. The scope, mount and base, is numbered to the serial on the left side of the barrel but looks out place. The bore is 95%+.

This rifle shoots run of the mill, surplus Chinese, Com Bloc ammo into two inches at 100 yds regularly, IF I do my part. Handloads with Sierra Match 174 grain will shoot into 1 moa.

The Molot repro, is almost as good

The original 91/30 with PE scope, was refurbed at a factory and looks as good as it shoots. The scope is easier to use but not really that different as far as parallax goes. You still have to hold your eye back about 8 inches (16cm) from the ocular lens to settle it down for consistent accuracy.

As far as an FTR goes, at an approved facility? I don't consider that to be a detriment. There was usually a very good reason for an FTR to happen.

Putting a firearm back to almost new condition is a good thing when it's pooched, beyond use and it's a NORMAL procedure in the life of the firearm.

Need an example that most will be familiar with. Swede Mausers based on the 96/94/38 actions. Almost all of them had their barrels replaced several times during their service stints and nothing, to my knowledge, to indicate the FTR. Maybe a bent bold handle on a 96/38??

Lee Enfields are all stamped when they went through and FTR.
 
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Mr.4x4 said:
Sharing some pics of my mosin pu
Bought it back in ‘09, hand picked it out of a crate. Was drawn to it because it didn’t have any
shellac on it, like it was being refurbished and Igor accidentally put it in without paying attention to what he
was doing lol
Haven’t shot it , finally took it out of the safe and thought I’d share
All matching , scope matches the receiver etc.
Anyone shed some info on it ? Thoughts ?
Thanks for looking !
https://www.flickr.com/gp/192169126@N08/0g388b
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Wow, that stock barely has handling marks on it. With apologies to those who cringe at the thought of refinishing vintage guns, I just completed a refinish on a Mosin Nagant.

Over the past 10 years, I've toyed around with refinishing guns of all kinds. The hobby started out of a need to fix guns that I bought at auction or broke in the field. As we all know, gun repairs can be expensive in some cases, so I was just trying to save a few bucks. One thing led to another and I started refinishing stocks and doing bluing repairs as well.

After having fixed a few rifles, a few pistols, a couple of revolvers, and dozens of shotguns, I couldn't help refinishing a bunch along the way. Last October, I ran out of projects from my own collection. So I asked around if anyone wanted a gun refinished. My son-in-law spoke up that he had a Mosin Nagant sniper rifle he wouldn't mind refinishing. At first I pushed back - I had no experience with MN rifles, and a WWII sniper rifle didn't sound like a piece that should be altered to me. But, he brushed those concerns aside.

The rifle had the usual red shellac all over it. While the gun was in typical condition, the stock was unbelievably oil soaked and there were rust spots eating away at the receiver in hidden places. I can't believe how clean your stock is. I spent 3 months researching methods of remediating oil soaked stocks. In the end, I learned that the methods taught by "gunsmiths" on the internet don't work. And, that what does work will remove most of the oil, but never ALL the oil. (You wouldn't want to remove 100% of the oil anyway, IMO. Doing so would dry the wood like balsa and would remove natural wood oils as well.)

Still, getting most of the oil out isn't the last major issue in these circumstances. Next you discover that wood finishes won't stick to or cure properly over oily surfaces. That's when you figure out why varnish or shellac are the finishes of choice on oil-soaked surplus guns of all types.

In the end, the MN Sniper retained many of it's battle scars, the armourer's cartouches are more visible, unseen cracks in the stock interior have been glassed and, I believe, it has a cool and unique 'desert camo' look to it. My son-in-law says it's wicked accurate out to 300 meters, so he's glad he suggested it to begin with.

I took one photo after I started taking it apart and more after it was complete. Photos can be seen at:

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Mr.4x4 said:
Sorry for the late reply

It’s not for sale ... what would it’s value be with the missing shellac?

I have 2. The other one is refurbished with the shellac but this one I couldn’t figure out and had a interesting cold factor


It’s a matching refurbished as far as I can see

If it’s a molot it would have the engraving under the front wood?


I covered up the SN because I see others do it lol. I wondered if it has something to do with it now being copied ?
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Yes sure, and now it is listed in the EE for $1,600, lol.

What if everybody would pre-advertise their guns in the respective forums?

Isn't there a rule against this?

He even links it to this thread.

Hey buddy, I have bad news, your PU sniper is a repro and as I mentioned before not worth one penny more than $850.

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scianna54 said:
Yes sure, and now it is listed in the EE for $1,600, lol.

What if everybody would pre-advertise their guns in the respective forums?

Isn't there a rule against this?

He even links it to this thread.

Hey buddy, I have bad news, your PU sniper is a repro and as I mentioned before not worth one penny more than $850.

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You must have shamed him into taking it down. (Or a Mod did). I don’t see it posted on the EE....
 
I'm not sure the mods could or should do anything. Surely this isn't the first "I don't know what this might be worth" thread you've seen on this forum. I've seen hundreds.

If this thread prompted him to ask what you consider too high a price, that doesn't hurt anyone except the seller who won't get a sale. Having checked his EE ad, it appears that he's dropped his price significantly based on your feedback.

Now, IIRC, commenting on another user's EE ad IS forbidden. In this case, the OP created a thread that opens the door to comments, as opposed to anyone initiating comments with their own thread (which is certainly not allowed and shouldn't be).

While you might be outraged that someone would pay $1600 for a repro, who knows, maybe there's a market for that. The Mosin Nagant in question is certainly in excellent condition. I didn't see a lot of people knowledgeable in the market prices offering the OP the benefit of their advice.

Let's not think the worst of each other and go for the throat over every little difference of opinion. We are, after all, each other's best hope for building a community of like-minded folks to resist the evil Turdo and his minions.
 
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