My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

On my second day at the just-reopened range, I tried my FWB 2000. It was a wee bit windy, but after all that down time I couldn't let it stand in the way.




Left to right, .455, .315, .495, .481, .415
Average: .432

The distance was 57 yards.
Ammo was SK Rifle Match.
Scope is a Sightron SII 36X

An interesting feature of this rifle is the weights on top of the forearm. They are on rails on either side of the barrel channel. To improve results, the weights can move forward or back. Obviously, I don't have them figured out yet. A hook came with the rifle as well as a bloop tube, but I haven't had use for them so far. I did use a three inch wide adapter as seen in the photo.

 
grauhanen said:
An interesting feature of this rifle is the weights on top of the forearm. They are on rails on either side of the barrel channel. To improve results, the weights can move forward or back. Obviously, I don't have them figured out yet.
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Another lovely rifle. Unless the weights can hang past the muzzle, they are not likely to have much effect on the target results. Given that this rifle appears to be intended for position shooting, I suspect that the weights are there to allow the shooter to customize the balance of the rifle to their liking. It would be merely a happy coincidence if it also improved the accuracy.

Would you mind posting some target results from your 54.30 in another thread? Curious minds would like to see how it performs.
 
grauhanen said:
On my second day at the just-reopened range, I tried my FWB 2000. It was a wee bit windy, but after all that down time I couldn't let it stand in the way.




Left to right, .455, .315, .495, .481, .415
Average: .432

The distance was 57 yards.
Ammo was SK Rifle Match.
Scope is a Sightron SII 36X

An interesting feature of this rifle is the weights on top of the forearm. They are on rails on either side of the barrel channel. To improve results, the weights can move forward or back. Obviously, I don't have them figured out yet. A hook came with the rifle as well as a bloop tube, but I haven't had use for them so far. I did use a three inch wide adapter as seen in the photo.

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Great shooting Grauhanen. Glad to see you are back out at the range. I added both of your successful attempts to the successful list.
 
I got this rifle two months ago and have been eager to try it out. With my club range recently reopening after being closed for over two months, I finally got the chance to use it today for the first time. It is an HVA Carl Gustaf rifle, a CG-22T model. It was made in Sweden some time in the seventies. It has a shorter barrel than pictures show, with what the manufacturer calls a "balance tube," about eight inches in length, screwed to the threaded muzzle. There is a moveable weight that slides on to the tube or the barrel itself and is fastened in the desired place by a set screw. The stock shape, both the forestock and the pistol grip, which is unexpectedly bulky, would appear preclude the rifle from being used effectively from a prone or standing position; it is seemingly designed for bench shooting. As a result the weight may be for enhancing accuracy. In any case I did not use the moveable weight here. This rifle was surprisingly nice to shoot. And as so often happens the best groups I shot today do not appear on the targets shown now.








First target, from left to right: .252, .464, .346, .324, .473 Average size .372
Second target, from L to R: .387, .448, .377, .382, .484 Average size .416
(The second bull in the second target has two holes, through one of which three bullets passed, with two through the other.)



The CG-22T is shown below with a Bausch and Lomb 36X scope.
The ammo used was SK Rifle Match.
The distance was 57 yards.





Here is a information piece from the manufacturer.

 
grauhanen said:
with what the manufacturer calls a "balance tube," about eight inches in length, screwed to the threaded muzzle. There is a moveable weight that slides on to the tube or the barrel itself and is fastened in the desired place by a set screw. The stock shape, both the forestock and the pistol grip, which is unexpectedly bulky, would appear preclude the rifle from being used effectively from a prone or standing position; it is seemingly designed for bench shooting. As a result the weight may be for enhancing accuracy. In any case I did not use the moveable weight here. This rifle was surprisingly nice to shoot. And as so often happens the best groups I shot today do not appear on the targets shown now.


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Another interesting rifle and good shooting. Yes, usually the best groups shot are not truly representative of what a rifle can produce consistently, what you have there is a rifle that shoots .3s and .4s which, considering it's date of manufacture, is very good rimfire accuracy. Now, it is unclear how you've drawn the conclusion that the rifle is unsuitable for standing and shooting (when is the last time you did so?). If we are to compare to the Anschütz 64 MSR, which is purpose built for silhouette competition and one is only allowed to stand and shoot, there are some striking similarities in the stock design. Note the high comb, palm swell, "bulky" forearm, and thumb cutout behind the pistol grip, I'd say the CG-22T looks specifically built for offhand shooting to my eyes. Also note how one would support a rifle offhand, with their thumb on the extra wide trigger guard and four fingers spread out onto the wide forearm to create a stable base of support.

In this case, we must go with what the manufacturer says and the "balance tube" is for balancing the rifle to the shooter's taste. Given that it extends past the muzzle, it is capable of enhancing the accuracy if appropriately set, however the mechanism is decidedly crude and coarse, making proper adjustment difficult, not to mention there is no guarantee that the shooter would find the balance acceptable when the sliding weight is in the position that enhances accuracy. I do not think accuracy enhancement was the primary goal with the design of the balance tube. You don't seem to be inclined to attempt to wring out the best performance of any particular rifle, and you're probably off on your next rifle pursuit, so we'll leave it at that.

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RabidM4U5 said:
Another interesting rifle and good shooting. Yes, usually the best groups shot are not truly representative of what a rifle can produce consistently, what you have there is a rifle that shoots .3s and .4s which, considering it's date of manufacture, is very good rimfire accuracy. Now, it is unclear how you've drawn the conclusion that the rifle is unsuitable for standing and shooting (when is the last time you did so?). If we are to compare to the Anschütz 64 MSR, which is purpose built for silhouette competition and one is only allowed to stand and shoot, there are some striking similarities in the stock design. Note the high comb, palm swell, "bulky" forearm, and thumb cutout behind the pistol grip, I'd say the CG-22T looks specifically built for offhand shooting to my eyes. Also note how one would support a rifle offhand, with their thumb on the extra wide trigger guard and four fingers spread out onto the wide forearm to create a stable base of support.

In this case, we must go with what the manufacturer says and the "balance tube" is for balancing the rifle to the shooter's taste. Given that it extends past the muzzle, it is capable of enhancing the accuracy if appropriately set, however the mechanism is decidedly crude and coarse, making proper adjustment difficult, not to mention there is no guarantee that the shooter would find the balance acceptable when the sliding weight is in the position that enhances accuracy. I do not think accuracy enhancement was the primary goal with the design of the balance tube. You don't seem to be inclined to attempt to wring out the best performance of any particular rifle, and you're probably off on your next rifle pursuit, so we'll leave it at that.

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Thanks, Rabid, for sharing your thoughts. Some readers may thank you for your instructions relating to how to support a rifle during off-hand shooting. I have experience on shooting off-hand and may well have been doing so before you were born. I shot my first small bore competition somewhere near Parry Sound in around 1974 and never used a bench before 2013. I must admit, however, that I'm not nor have I ever been anything of a competitive shooter.

I am also familiar with the Anschutz 64 MSR (metallic silhouette repeater) shown in your photos as I had one, the same model. It is well-suited and designed for off-hand shooting, which as you know is the purpose of a metallic silhouette rifle such as the Anschutz MSR. It has stippling on the pistol grip and under the forearm to assist in handling the rifle. Is there a rifle made for off-hand shooting that doesn't have stippling or checkering?

If you handled the CG-22T it's doubtful you would have made the presumptive comments about its purpose. The forearm is two-and-a-half inches wide and flat, a size which does not lend itself to being held with the hand. The pistol grip is much too wide to be a good design for gripping or holding while standing to shoot. It has no stippling or even checkering to aid in handling, which is important during off-hand shooting. Perhaps the extra wide forestock of the CG-22T was a precursor, in a manner of speaking, to the wide forestocks seen on purpose-made bench rest rifles. Readers may know that many bench rest rifles today have a three inch wide forestock, some even wider.

The "balance tube," which is the manufacturer's term from a time before "barrel tuners" were popular, together with the removeable and moveable weight (not shown) were, I believe, ostensibly for tuning the barrel, however crudely such a system would allow. Barrel tuners as we know them today most likely did not exist in the 1970's when this rifle was made. It seems obvious that this "innovation" -- if that what it was -- did not catch on with other rifle manufacturers. In any case, a weight for balance only would seem unnecessary on a rifle that I think was made for shooting in a manner other than off-hand, which by default would seem to be from a rest.

As for a lack of inclination to wring the best out of my rifles, I'll just say that I may more pleased than you when it comes to shooting because I have had the great enjoyment of experiencing a wide variety of small bore rifles, such as the CG-22T. Some have been excellent shooters, while others are a little more workaday. I don't seek satisfaction in being obsessive about anything in particular. I simply get great pleasure out of shooting.
 
Very nicely done. There aren't many 10/22-based rifles on this thread.

This is in no way meant to cast aspersions on the fine results, but it might be a good idea to show completely the entire target paper.
 
grauhanen said:
Very nicely done. There aren't many 10/22-based rifles on this thread.

This is in no way meant to cast aspersions on the fine results, but it might be a good idea to show completely the entire target paper.
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No doubt, I will have to go make some more targets up for this one specifically. 5 dots a page.

If you guys dont want to count this one thats fine. I understand lol.

I did not fallow instructions and will simply withdraw the attempt and do it again. Im positive I can do it again no issues.

Threw that paper out at the range sadly or this would be a lot easier. lol.
 
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ATTEMPT!
DID NOT COMPLETE DUE TO NOT FALLOWING INSTRUCTIONS ON SHOWING ENTIRE TARGET.



Here we are gents.

Shot off rear bag, front bipod.

DLASK Custom DAR-22 (10/22)
KIDD Match Trigger and KIDD Match bull barrel, Victor company Titan 10/22 stock. DLASK Everything else.
SK Rifle Match

50 yards

Group sizes. (edge to edge, minus .220)

.305
.344
.261
.260
.330

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Great shooting from a Semi-auto. I added your attempt to the successful list. You assured me the target is legit. Therefore I will consider it a successful attempt.
 
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Nicely done, CK. As you can see, shooting the challenge with a semi is no big deal, provided that all of the components that comprise the rifle are of suitable quality.

Grauh, this isn't the thread to discuss any further. Keep doing your thing, I do enjoy seeing the interesting rifles you manage to procure.
 
I was doing some ammo testing the other day, so while these targets weren't intended for the challenge, and the rifle is already on the list, I figured it was post worthy anyway. How about a little side challenge? Most consecutive sub 1/2" groups in a row... well, here's 40 ;)

Shot with my custom built CZ 455 with Lilja 3 groove barrel, this was just ammo testing some RWS ammo, no adjustments to the tuner were made. R-50 lot 606 @ 328 m/s definitely shot better than lot 688 @ 334 m/s. Of course, these are just box statements and not necessarily what the velocity actually is out of my rifle, but it is very safe to assume that the two lots do indeed have different combustion properties. Special match and Rifle Match shot quite well too. 1/4" club is still elusive.


 
RabidM4U5 said:
Nicely done, CK. As you can see, shooting the challenge with a semi is no big deal, provided that all of the components that comprise the rifle are of suitable quality.

Grauh, this isn't the thread to discuss any further. Keep doing your thing, I do enjoy seeing the interesting rifles you manage to procure.
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Thanks Beautiful shooting on the target above. Just to stifle any doubt. Here is 2 targets today. One is successful one is not. Also some AMAZING groups. If you doubt they are 5 shots I dont blame you. I didn't realize how good they where till I walked up to the target. I dont think I will ever get them again.

the two groups here will never happen again. Total fluke groups I think. I was so happy thought hahahah
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Here is just another fun target.
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If anyone wanted a 100% legit pass target. Here it is.
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22forever said:
I'd sure like see a pair of calipers on that .058 group, it's not even close
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TBH I agree. Not to sure what happend there.

Looks closer to the .100-.150 area.

It would have to had measured around .278

.278
.220
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.058

It looks more like two lengths of a 22 round more then one and a half ish.

Im guessing the paper pressed down while measuring produces a smaller hole then the bullet as this is just printer paper and not clean cutting competition paper.
 
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RabidM4U5 said:
I was doing some ammo testing the other day, so while these targets weren't intended for the challenge, and the rifle is already on the list, I figured it was post worthy anyway. How about a little side challenge? Most consecutive sub 1/2" groups in a row... well, here's 40 ;)

Shot with my custom built CZ 455 with Lilja 3 groove barrel, this was just ammo testing some RWS ammo, no adjustments to the tuner were made. R-50 lot 606 @ 328 m/s definitely shot better than lot 688 @ 334 m/s. Of course, these are just box statements and not necessarily what the velocity actually is out of my rifle, but it is very safe to assume that the two lots do indeed have different combustion properties. Special match and Rifle Match shot quite well too. 1/4" club is still elusive.


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Some AMAZING groups in the .100's !!!
 
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