My experience with CSA VZ 58 5.56, North Pro Sports, and North Sylva.

This is a scary thread to read.... hopefully the Type 81 works out, and doesnt have issues like this, then Canadians can move away from the CSA's and their dodgy quality.... The CZ 858's are the other option, but the $1000 dollar question to ask is : Will they survive the next 4 years of Liberal Majority ??????
 
bobdbldr said:
Welcome to warranty work on firearms in Canada, I waited a year to get my savage 10-tr fixed through grechoutdoors in Ontario. They took 2.5 months to get to look at it and then never got the barrel in, finally through good folks on this website we antagonized savage Canada till they gave us new ones. Remington gets their rifles fixed at the same place! I can only imagine how long it would take to get parts or worse, ship a rifle to Europe and back, in our country , it is buyer beware! Some who bought the 10tr got them from sfrc, who exchanged the rifles almost immediately and they dealt with the problem,,, myself and others bought from another sponsor and all they did was give me the phone number of the repair depot! Everyone needs to ask what will happen if my rifle does not work properly or has a defect! If the answer is not , "send it back to us" postage paid, then do not buy from them. We are purchasing online,, sight unseen,, we are putting a lot of trust in our sponsors to do due diligence on the items they send us as we cannot see or touch or shoot them! All the big box companies send the rifles with a return postage so if there is any problem,, back it goes! This is what we need from the sponsors and it is what we get from most of them! Again, buyer beware!
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Full disclosure. I know John Grech and while I do not currently outsource warranty work, I'd use Grech Outdoors in a heartbeat.

When it comes to warranty work in Canada, an awful lot depends on the agreement in place between the importer and manufacturer, and by extension, the approved warranty depot.
The importer has to have an agreement with the manufacturer on who pays for what, under what conditions, and for how long. Sometimes the manufacturer is literally going to credit the importer for expenses. Other times the manufacturer just gives the importer a wholesale price that reflects that all claims will be addressed by the importer alone.

There is also the matter of parts support and the time to restock or supply certain parts.

For my own line, if you look at the exploded diagrams, there are about 70 separate parts. Taking into account different models, generations, and some options, I could easily have a full parts list of about 250 separate items. Of those items, I generally have 100-125 or so on hand, generally in multiples of 10. Some items with a very low probability of need are never in inventory. I keep an open import licence for all the controlled items, just in case. If I do need something out of the ordinary, It's usually available within 30 days. Even without slides and barrels in the inventory, I probably have $20K in small parts on hand.

That's for one brand with 16 individual models and a high parts commonality. Imagine what it takes to handle a bigger manufacturers warranty needs. Add in the need to have an import/export licence in place for controlled items like barrels for each model and in some cases, variants..... I am not sure about the US, but for me if I had to start an application for an export permit from Slovakia, it could be as much as a 15 week delay.
 
warrenlikesboats said:
This is a scary thread to read.... hopefully the Type 81 works out, and doesnt have issues like this, then Canadians can move away from the CSA's and their dodgy quality.... The CZ 858's are the other option, but the $1000 dollar question to ask is : Will they survive the next 4 years of Liberal Majority ??????
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Why would the Type 81 survive, but not the CZ 858?
 
Canuck223 said:
Full disclosure. I know John Grech and while I do not currently outsource warranty work, I'd use Grech Outdoors in a heartbeat.

When it comes to warranty work in Canada, an awful lot depends on the agreement in place between the importer and manufacturer, and by extension, the approved warranty depot.
The importer has to have an agreement with the manufacturer on who pays for what, under what conditions, and for how long. Sometimes the manufacturer is literally going to credit the importer for expenses. Other times the manufacturer just gives the importer a wholesale price that reflects that all claims will be addressed by the importer alone.

There is also the matter of parts support and the time to restock or supply certain parts.

For my own line, if you look at the exploded diagrams, there are about 70 separate parts. Taking into account different models, generations, and some options, I could easily have a full parts list of about 250 separate items. Of those items, I generally have 100-125 or so on hand, generally in multiples of 10. Some items with a very low probability of need are never in inventory. I keep an open import licence for all the controlled items, just in case. If I do need something out of the ordinary, It's usually available within 30 days. Even without slides and barrels in the inventory, I probably have $20K in small parts on hand.

That's for one brand with 16 individual models and a high parts commonality. Imagine what it takes to handle a bigger manufacturers warranty needs. Add in the need to have an import/export licence in place for controlled items like barrels for each model and in some cases, variants..... I am not sure about the US, but for me if I had to start an application for an export permit from Slovakia, it could be as much as a 15 week delay.
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I understand completely, Canada is a very small market and we seem to have a high level of difficulty bringing in parts quickly from the US my barrel still wasn't here after a year and they were blaming it on each other Among savage USA etc. . This is why I commented about confirming with the dealer in writing that they would take back any problem firearm and replace it,, quickly, then the problem is on the sponsor who made the money! They would have a lot more clout than an individual! Lots of folks in Canada have a choice of walking in to a store and looking at and touching the product before purchasing, maybe even shooting it! Not so much down east, although there are shops around, they have limited product compared to what can be accessed on line. So we need to mitigate the risk! I want to buy everything I can from our sponsors, however, they have to do their part to! If you are going to have an online firearms store then the guarantees need to be impeccable along with your record, or the store will not last long! I believe most of our sponsors offer this!
The problem with guaranteeing what you sell is not just an online problem, we have our local shops that have a bad wrap too!
 
One thing the CZ and VZ has is parts availability, And interchangeability.

We can even get entire bolts, trigger groups, gas pistons from Europe on ebay for the CZ/VZ.
 
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JJGunner said:
Why would the Type 81 survive, but not the CZ 858?
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Well at this point its all just speculation....... but as far as Im aware, Bill C42 is what brought the 858 and Swiss Arms back from prohib, and the VERY FIRST thing you read in the Liberal Partys gun policy is that they fully intend to repeal C42.
 
The reason why I haven't purchased a CSA VZ58 is all the threads I've read on them... even the new ones. $1300+ for a CSA VZ58 and they still have some QC problems. Back a few years ago they were absolutely dreadful.

My buddy bought one in 2014 and it was busted right out of the box... he wasn't impressed. The old CZ's only had the gremlin which was only a small percentage and an easy fix.
 
warrenlikesboats said:
Well at this point its all just speculation....... but as far as Im aware, Bill C42 is what brought the 858 and Swiss Arms back from prohib, and the VERY FIRST thing you read in the Liberal Partys gun policy is that they fully intend to repeal C42.
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True, but with the new non-restricted status of the Type 81, I don't see how they could justify restricting the CZ 858/VZ58.
 
They already did..... they justified it as Prohib...... but then C42 came in, allowing the Conservatives to wave the RCMP classification. Once the Liberals remove C42, what keeps the RCMP from switching the 858 back to their original classification of Prohib ?? how merciful are they lol.

Its a real shame, cus id really like to purchase one of those 858's from Wolverine, But I see it as playing with fire.
 
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