My Match Fee Formula

This suggestion for fees is coming from someone who has no idea at all what it takes to put on a match, from the days of planning, getting needed supplies (lumber for props, targets, repairing of any excisting props, food for workers,etc) not to mention mission fees, as well as the work after the match is over, so guys like him can see the results that night, (wonder what he wuld hve done when we had to wait for the next Sitrep to
come out. One thing he has completly forgot is that here in Ontario we have to apply the HST to the match fees as well if your club income and member base is high enough which my club falls into.
 
PeterPan said:
Well, this is his formula.
What I would like to hear is how MDs see that? How they calculate their costs of the match.
Since I was involve in helping few times I know that IPSC matches are good for club budget and in most of the cases clubs making profit.
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The hole club Benefits from IPSC matches it would be nice to see some of there other (non ipsc)member coming out to help with the matches
 
JB said:
The hole club Benefits from IPSC matches it would be nice to see some of there other (non ipsc)member coming out to help with the matches
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Keep in mind that they (paying members of the host club) are giving up their ranges for us (non paying guests) to use for IPSC matches. That's already mighty generous (in my opinion)

I also wouldn't put too much stock in the illusion that clubs are getting rich from IPSC matches. Most clubs have to invest their own money to get IPSC off the ground...and expect to get it back over the long term. It's costs money to build and maintain an inventory of props and steel targets
 
Quigley said:
Keep in mind that they (paying members of the host club) are giving up their ranges for us (non paying guests) to use for IPSC matches. That's already mighty generous (in my opinion)

I also wouldn't put too much stock in the illusion that clubs are getting rich from IPSC matches. Most clubs have to invest their own money to get IPSC off the ground...and expect to get it back over the long term. It's costs money to build and maintain an inventory of props and steel targets
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clubs and members are giving up range time for ipsc matches because they are making some money off of it
 
That was kinda my point ... We shouldn't expect anything else for our contributions (it's basically a range rental fee) The volunteer labour is up to us...

Just out of curiosity...how many IPSC matches do you work per year (in and out of your own club) ? Did you work our Provincial match last year?

JB said:
clubs and members are giving up range time for ipsc matches because they are making some money off of it
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Quigley said:
Keep in mind that they (paying members of the host club) are giving up their ranges for us (non paying guests) to use for IPSC matches. That's already mighty generous (in my opinion)

I also wouldn't put too much stock in the illusion that clubs are getting rich from IPSC matches. Most clubs have to invest their own money to get IPSC off the ground...and expect to get it back over the long term. It's costs money to build and maintain an inventory of props and steel targets
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Ditto Boss :D and to stir the pot some more this sounds like a bunch of Archeryboys from our club complaining about a $10.00 match fee. As we may have been off the map for a bit, I certainly know what is involved with setting up good matches, stages, and props. Certainly not cheap and anyone who thinks that Clubs should not make money hosting events need a reality check. Furthermore I have never had any problem paying for a good match. We all know this is not an inexpensive sport, we do what we can. Price is indicitive to quality.:nest:

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This thread was started with the intent to see if match fee can be associated with round count and with some other important variables invited into the mix for final $ fee.
and to generate discussion and feedback and opinions on such from friendly ipsc loving likeminded people.
This thread is not to bash any specific match or whining about the fees...

I look forward to your feedback, wether negative or positive towards this formula, your friendly and constructive replies are welcome, as a few of you already have.

And not just read half the post and not be clear on my intent and reply with " oh this guy doesn't this or that..bla..."
All things, when broken down, can actually be given a unit cost basis of some kind...
I was hoping for MD's/club reps to reply with their take & some #'s on what costs are, etc...
I'm curious to if there's enough common denominators in most matches and if some formula can be possible ? if not, great...lets discuss it in good and friendly manner :)

Oddly enough, my formula is only a tad lower than what waterloo and provincials are charging (with the added $ probably due to some extra costs involved) which I allocated a line to such extra costs that a club may have to add..
And I see now that the nationals are a whole other animal with many costs involved...tuchae... :)
 
AB match fees are $35 for outdoor and $40 for indoor matches and the provincials are $200 and you get a shirt. Provincials are a bit pricey, but i hope it's worth it (haven't shot one yet) and the other match fees seem pretty reasonable to me.
 
How appropriate this post is at a time when we're dealing with two political parties vying for control of the country with the exact same thought in mind.
"How do I stick my nose into some one's business and force them to run it how I want?" Igiot and Taliban Jack would be proud.

It's simple. Match Directors at all levels & all disciplines primary goal is to fill thier match. They are going to charge whatever they feel is is correct for that shooting competition. They'll cover their costs and if they want, they'll make a profit for the club, the charity, maybe even themselves, etc. Good for 'em!

Christ, I know of one MD who actually went in the hole to the tune of five grand running a level 3 because he "had to do it his way".

If you don't like the price, vote with your feet & don't go. If enough people stop going, he'll change.
There's no room for socialism in shooting.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
How appropriate this post is at a time when we're dealing with two political parties vying for control of the country with the exact same thought in mind.
"How do I stick my nose into some one's business and force them to run it how I want?" Igiot and Taliban Jack would be proud.

It's simple. Match Directors at all levels & all disciplines primary goal is to fill thier match. They are going to charge whatever they feel is is correct for that shooting competition. They'll cover their costs and if they want, they'll make a profit for the club, the charity, maybe even themselves, etc. Good for 'em!

Christ, I know of one MD who actually went in the hole to the tune of five grand running a level 3 because he "had to do it his way".

If you don't like the price, vote with your feet & don't go. If enough people stop going, he'll change.
There's no room for socialism in shooting.
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Well said. Try entering a golf tournament and see what that costs. My wife is a runner. Even some of the smaller 5K races are 35 bucks.
 
Which thread you reply to ?

Freedom Ventures said:
How appropriate this post is at a time when we're dealing with two political parties vying for control of the country with the exact same thought in mind.
"How do I stick my nose into some one's business and force them to run it how I want?" Igiot and Taliban Jack would be proud.

It's simple. Match Directors at all levels & all disciplines primary goal is to fill thier match. They are going to charge whatever they feel is is correct for that shooting competition. They'll cover their costs and if they want, they'll make a profit for the club, the charity, maybe even themselves, etc. Good for 'em!

Christ, I know of one MD who actually went in the hole to the tune of five grand running a level 3 because he "had to do it his way".

If you don't like the price, vote with your feet & don't go. If enough people stop going, he'll change.
There's no room for socialism in shooting.
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I agree with you very much on your above statements !! !!!!
and I appreciate the points you did make that have to do with arguing (i'm guessing that you don't believe a formula can be used) this point at hand...

But what's up with the other comments ? did you mix them up with other thread ?

Well, except with my one statement about level 3 not exceeding $200 mark (my personal opinion, which I've in last nights post understood why it may have to)

Again, that's NOT the intent of this tread...:bangHead:
This is NOT about match fees being too high...
Please reply accordingly to the topic I've spcefically clearly stated twice now and in English not in Greek. and now stating for a 3rd time. If you prefer for me to restate this in a language you understand better, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
Don't read between any lines....there's nothing there other than what I stated.

And to further clarify, It's not about if my formula rocks or not, but if a formula of any kind can be utilized ?
so, it seems most of you think not...so great, mention that with your points... but don't waste your breath on silly non-related accuzations that are not my views....
I don't know why this always happens.. ? ? I'm stubborn to keep at it :D
I've attended all level 3's I can and paid the fees and gone to summer slam last year and going again, even though with travel, it's costly event to go to....I think it's worth every penny... that said, this thread is not about that :eek:
 
I could be wrong here, but I think most MD's will:

Add up their costs
Add in what kind of profit they want to make, if any
This is now what the Match fee will be.....

How much more complicated, or mojo formulas do you need to add to it?
Business has pretty much run this way since the dawn of time.....do you think there is any reason to change?
 
When it comes to IPSC match fees, clubs should remember that keeping fees at a reasonable level shows respect for the dedicated competitors who come out to these matches. If a club really needs to raise more money for range improvements etc. then by all means charge a little more. I have stopped shooting at a certain club because match fees were raised to cover the HST. What a crock!!! There is no reason this club could not absorb the HST. I feel that $20 to $25 for a match consisting of 75 to 100 rounds is reasonable. Lets keep in mind, that costs to drive to matches are going up (gas) there may be newcomers to the game that simply can't afford high match fees. We certainly don't want to discourage younger shooters from participating in as many matches as possible. Lets keep match fees as reasonable as possible, after all, clubs should not be expecting to get rich by exorbitant range fees.
 
Here's my opinion. If a club runs one match a year and charges a ton of money in order to improve their facility for their own use, I might get pissed. If however they run multiple matches and don't charge a ton, but still use that money to improve their club I'm not gonna get pissed. Same if they use it to pay for props, one match a year to buy new props that I'll only see the next year they hold the match, me pissy, a bunch of matches I get to use those props, me happy. I do know that some clubs look at IPSC matches as a way to simply make money, and that's it. I won't shoot at those clubs unless I really have nothing better to do. I also know that most clubs are just trying to survive and IPSC matches help with that. Those clubs I support. Greedy people/clubs piss me off.
With the exception of a new club, I (my opinion only) don't think clubs should be blowing massive budgets on one match to buy a ton of props. Work your way up to it, buy a bit here a bit there. Quality props will last years.
 
7.62mm said:
I could be wrong here, but I think most MD's will:

Add up their costs
Add in what kind of profit they want to make, if any
This is now what the Match fee will be.....

How much more complicated, or mojo formulas do you need to add to it?
Business has pretty much run this way since the dawn of time.....do you think there is any reason to change?
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Fair and simple reply. Thank you for such.

I'm not suggestion anything has to change....
 
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