My pics of my trip to the new Canadian War Museum

Hitzy said:
Damn, if I new you were coming to town, we could have lit up the ballet and some rub and tug parlors......:)

Actually went down to the market a few times and got s**tfaced with the russian chick,so I brought my own rub and tug with me, but hey there was enough ass for everyone, you would have been more than welcome.

For a fair price of course now that the GST has been reduced,

:D
 
This one I forgot to mention, in this pic you will see one of those trench viewers that they used to view from the safety of the trench. Well when you looked inside it was actually a small movie viewer and playing was vintage black and white WWI trench warfare footage from the era.

Well done, they really went all out,

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Minor quibble, the Sherman firefly is a M4E8 used end of war and postwar to Korea and in the reserves when the Centurions came along. Also the Grant is actually a Stuart Tank.
 
MRCLARK said:
Heres the cool part, I dont know if you guys remembered but I went to Borden a few years back to see Worthington park http://www.pbase.com/mrclark/cfb_borden_2004 and its supply of rusting tanks again when I noticed something odd. Behind the park where a few old closed up buildings stood that reportedly used to be the old tank museum stood these
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note the stuff under the tarps

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Well it turns out after I talked to a few folks back then that these were going to be displayed at this new Museum it Ottawa and they took them out of storage. They were not dragged out if you look in some of the pics you can see track marks!!! And on the tops some of the hatches were open but secured with just a chain and padlock. The when I spoke with some people in the new Museum they said most in not all were drivable still to this day.

So most of the tanks you see I took pics of in Borden were prepped for the new museum a few years later.

I would love to know where this went though?
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I didnt see it in Ottawa?
one of the sub-companys of the company i worked for had the pwgsc contract to wash and prep all those before displaying at the museam as well there where at least 5 that where being preped for auction


this is the thing me and the wife got into a hissy match with security over because my son was standing in it pretending to drive it
 
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Colin said:
Minor quibble, the Sherman firefly is a M4E8 used end of war and postwar to Korea and in the reserves when the Centurions came along. Also the Grant is actually a Stuart Tank.


But but but he said it was a Grant


Tbolt said:
Great pictures!
I have to go back and take another look, it has been a few years.

Just a note, you have the M3/5 Stuart labeled as a Grant
 
Wow, looks like the place to spend 2 full days, may be more when I get to Ottawa.

After seeing these nice pictures, anyone still wants to bad mouth deact guns and tanks can give it a good rest.
 
I was UBER disappointed when I visited that collosal waste of taxpayer's money. They had a chance to build something wonderful, but instead of an engineer, an architect was hired and all the money went into the ugly Diefenbunker tribute you see today. The money SHOULD have gone into displays and curator staff - maybe then they wouldn;t have screwed up all the displays and labelling.

Some highlights of stupid ####:
-The Chinese Inglis in 8mm they have labelled as being used in Eirope by Canadians - I don;t think so!
-the Long Lee pattern rifle from Leeds with intsct wax seal that they have WELDED UP on display :(
-The fact that 80% plus of the stens being carried by dummy Canadian soldiers are BRIT EFD made Sten MkIIIs (why?)
-The VAST majority of labels are WRONG.
-The Russian section where they display a Finn M24 and call it a "Czarist M91"Or the post-war Hungarian 91/30 sniper they display as a Russian sniper rifle as used in Stalingrad. Sure. Must have been that OTHER stalingrad strre in Budapest or something???

I could go on, but they did NOT do their homework when they filled the building with the stuff the building was SUPPOSED to have been built for.

Also, you get the impression that after WW2, Canada immediately decided we would never be anything but peacekeepers again. Korea is just glazed over and we're made out to look like a vassal of the UN army or something??? Makes you wander if Jack Layton and Paul Martin had a pow-wow to determine the theme of that place...
 
I visited the museum last year before I got posted out of Pet. Too bad none of that was on display at the time.

Great pics, thanks.
 
Dimitri said:
I went to the War Museum back in 2001, I thought it was pretty neat. :)

Dimitri

It's not the same museum anymore (different building, more displays, etc.). In many ways, I liked the old one better as they seemed to be better organized from a curator standpoint back then.
 
MrClark,
Thanks for the great photos. I checked out your main album also, nice stuff on the Inglis and LongBranch factories. Ack!.....I wish the CDN gov't had more respect for these sights and had saved them (and so many other historic sights I have seen go to the wrecking ball) - it's not like we lack land in Canada.

Your commentary regarding Hitler's car is so true - some feeble minded people would have us destroy these vestiges of the past and then what? -do we deny the past happened? As per your quote for those who have not seen it.
"I remember the press interviewing the custodian of the old museum and he wanted to bend over to the folks who wanted it sold or destroyed, can you imagine. Whats next book burning. They in no way glorified it or the regime in any way buts its our history,when people ask why our troops died over there what do we say? Ummmm we cant talk about it? The s**tler mobile and its paranoid accessories are a perfect display to show what happens when we dont control ourselves. We need to remember what happened so we can never let it happen again our at least make an effort to stop it etc etc if you know what I mean."

I especially enjoyed your very logical comment that is highlighted in red.
THanks for the outsanding work!

PS Didn't Farley Mowat have a great number of German military vehicles brought over in 1945 or '46 for museum purposes and instead our wise govt scrapped them or used them for range practice?
 
Claven2 said:
I was UBER disappointed when I visited that collosal waste of taxpayer's money. They had a chance to build something wonderful, but instead of an engineer, an architect was hired and all the money went into the ugly Diefenbunker tribute you see today. The money SHOULD have gone into displays and curator staff - maybe then they wouldn;t have screwed up all the displays and labelling.

Some highlights of stupid s**t:
-The Chinese Inglis in 8mm they have labelled as being used in Eirope by Canadians - I don;t think so!
-the Long Lee pattern rifle from Leeds with intsct wax seal that they have WELDED UP on display :(
-The fact that 80% plus of the stens being carried by dummy Canadian soldiers are BRIT EFD made Sten MkIIIs (why?)
-The VAST majority of labels are WRONG.
-The Russian section where they display a Finn M24 and call it a "Czarist M91"Or the post-war Hungarian 91/30 sniper they display as a Russian sniper rifle as used in Stalingrad. Sure. Must have been that OTHER stalingrad strre in Budapest or something???

I could go on, but they did NOT do their homework when they filled the building with the stuff the building was SUPPOSED to have been built for.

Also, you get the impression that after WW2, Canada immediately decided we would never be anything but peacekeepers again. Korea is just glazed over and we're made out to look like a vassal of the UN army or something??? Makes you wander if Jack Layton and Paul Martin had a pow-wow to determine the theme of that place...

Well its all we got at the moment and while the placards may be wrong(typical) I was impressed with the collection. As for the MKIII's I didnt see any to be honest, I saw alot of brit MKII's and some Long Branches. I agree about the 7.92 Bren and according to Rob Ladier himself who's still writing the new Bren book he claims they barely saw service at all.

I dont know but its still a fairly new museum I,m sure there still sorting out ####. I noticed a few errors as well at least with the firearms but in the big picture I was just glad to see them all considering what country we live in.

Claven you is da PARTY POOPER!!!!!
 
Steiner said:
MrClark,
Thanks for the great photos. I checked out your main album also, nice stuff on the Inglis and LongBranch factories. Ack!.....I wish the CDN gov't had more respect for these sights and had saved them (and so many other historic sights I have seen go to the wrecking ball) - it's not like we lack land in Canada.

Your commentary regarding Hitler's car is so true - some feeble minded people would have us destroy these vestiges of the past and then what? -do we deny the past happened? As per your quote for those who have not seen it.
"I remember the press interviewing the custodian of the old museum and he wanted to bend over to the folks who wanted it sold or destroyed, can you imagine. Whats next book burning. They in no way glorified it or the regime in any way buts its our history,when people ask why our troops died over there what do we say? Ummmm we cant talk about it? The s**tler mobile and its paranoid accessories are a perfect display to show what happens when we dont control ourselves. We need to remember what happened so we can never let it happen again our at least make an effort to stop it etc etc if you know what I mean."

I especially enjoyed your very logical comment that is highlighted in red.
THanks for the outsanding work!

PS Didn't Farley Mowat have a great number of German military vehicles brought over in 1945 or '46 for museum purposes and instead our wise govt scrapped them or used them for range practice?

I know alot of the old shermans and some german stuff were used for target practise, come to think of it dont they use a Sherman for target practise in Meaford?

As for Long Branch and Inglis, if we were American those facilitiies would be museums as well but for some reason our government just does not give a #### about our historical sites unless there is public outcry. So instead of the Inglis factory we get a grocery store, a parking lot and condos now.

Oh by the way this was approved by our very own historical society who saved the don valley brick works but didnt save Inglis or Long Branch.

Its pathetic and tragic really that our military history as is our railway history is simply soon to be forgotten as theres really nothing left thats substantial.

Anyone remember when they wanted to knock down union station to make a ####ing hockey rink?

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TAKE ME TO THE WRECKING BALL
Why is the Toronto Historical Board demolishing itself?
by
PETER KUITENBROUWER
The Toronto Historical Board is in an unfortunate location: 205 Yonge St., right across from the Eaton Centre. That brothel of shopping has long since sucked the life, and most of the history, out of the east side of Yonge; there the THB sits, resplendent in a grand old stone bank building with mighty pillars, between Coiffure Walter to the north and an empty lot to the south, in front of whose plywood construction wall a man stands selling knockoff Hugo Boss sweatshirts. South of him is another pillared stone monstrosity, empty and boarded up.

There is beauty, though hardly more life, inside the Historical Board. Atop soaring marble pillars, wrought iron arches reach to stained glass skylights, through whose green and mauve panes natural light pours down to an empty hall, where bankers once bustled. On the wall is an exhibit, "Unlocking The Story Of A House," a tribute to the oldest house in Toronto, 8 Ridelle Ave. in Forest Hill, built in 1812 and dismantled Sept. 22, 1994.

That log house, former home of Canadian theatre pioneer Dora Mavor Moore, is just one more property the THB failed to save. Its ironic epitaph reads, in part, "The panels also show the work done by the THB to ensure that a record of this house is always kept so that Torontonians in the future can understand how their city grew and why it is worth preserving."

With $4 million a year from city coffers, the THB employs 100 full and part-time employees to do two things: run five museums, and try to preserve the city's history. The THB has failed so miserably at the second job that last November the 17-member board voted to get out of the business of trying to protect Toronto's history, and transfer its preservation authority and staff to the city planning department. The deal is in the final stages now.

"The board has done a pretty good job," said Dennis Magill, who's been board chair for over seven years. "But now we want to concentrate on the museums, on attendance and fundraising."

Why? Because preservation is hard work, and takes up most of the board's time. Magill is sick of the rancorous meetings, of getting in dutch with history-lovers who want buildings saved. "Preservation is a regulatory function," Magill whines. "Sometimes there's a tension with the historical community, because you may want to work with them on museum displays but you may not be supporting buildings they want saved."

In short, as Elvis Costello has crooned, "I just wanna be loved."

What does the board expect? To me it's like city council saying: "We're sick of all the flak, so we're getting out of decision-making, and from now on we're just going to run the skating rink at Nathan Phillips Square in winter, and we'll have jazz in the summer."

John Martins-Manteiga of the Inglis Memorial Project has watched the board ignore his repeated pleas on behalf of the doomed Inglis buildings at King and Strachan. "These people are buffoons," he says. "You cannot speak to these zombie-like people."

In a letter to the board, Martins-Manteiga wrote, "Toronto is a living organism. Its history consists of industrial, commercial, artistic, cultural, educational and other assets. It is not just the history of colonial occupation as preserved in mansions and military installations."

And many within the THB are none too thrilled with the board's plans. Minutes of a meeting of the board's preservation committee in March quotes an unnamed participant as saying they: "question the need to destroy the existing structure and replace it with one of questionable merit" -- which neatly summarizes the history of development in Toronto.

The meeting notes go on to say, "Planning staff are concerned that if the Heritage Preservation Department is rolled into the Planning Department [of the city], planners will not have the leverage they currently have through us in dealing with developments affecting heritage properties."

Landscape architect Tim Dobson shares this concern. The balcony of his apartment in the artist co-op at 680 Queen's Quay W. looks out at the soaring cement grain silos of the Canada Malting Co., now city-owned, at the lake's edge. Dobson calls grain silos "the future castles of Canada." He spends his spare time with the city's Canada Malting Working Group, trying to find new uses for them. Protecting such a heritage requires a strong historical board, he says.

"When the volunteers on the THB vote to preserve a building, their job is not on the line," he says. "But the bureaucrats at city hall can feel pressure from politicians who have developers at their doors."

According to the THB's Jamieson Lorenz, the board plans a public information session for May 22, on which occasion interested citizens can comment on the board's scheme to turn the wrecking ball --on itself.
 
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Claven2 said:
It's not the same museum anymore (different building, more displays, etc.). In many ways, I liked the old one better as they seemed to be better organized from a curator standpoint back then.

Oh ok thanks for the reply. :) Well the one I went to I thought was good!. :)

I wish I could find the pictures of my trip there (took about a 3rd of the pictures of my trip to Ottawa in 2001 there alone. :eek: ) but its been a while and I've moved a couple of times since so I've lost them I think. :redface:

Dimitri
 
Pritchard Bayonet:

Patented in November 1916 by Lt. Arthur Pritchard of the 3rd Bn, Royal Berkshire Regiment the Pritchard bayonet was designed to fit the Webley revolver. It fixes underneath the barrel of the revolver with the pommel sitting in front of the revolver frame. The crossguard is secured behind the front sight.

The original bayonets were manufactured by W.W.Greener of Birmingham. Both the blade and scabbard were converted from French Gras bayonets. The hilts were usually made of brass, however, hilts of alloy or steel have also been noted. No more than two hundred of these bayonets were produced and sold privately to officers.
 
Did they have to deact Hitler's car too? I had to see weapons like that ruined. Don't they have a duty to preserve history not weld it up for display???
 
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