My shooting results. Please advise or criticize
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I went to the range today.
Now that I know wat ammo my rifle likes, I need to get rid of all the test ammo I got, so was doing some shooting today to spend that ammo. I tried to be accurate, but it really doesn't work.
Before I left. I decided to shoot with the ammo that my rifle likes, the CCI Target SV, the result is something to write home about
That lines up with my experience. Until I put in an aftermarket barrel on my T1X, the groups were spread (a lot) vertically at 200. Upgrading to Eley Match, made them round; top end Lapua would probably be similar.
Eugene, No One has said this yet . . . BUY MORE of that CCI-SV 'TARGET' ! ! (And try to get the same LOT # of all boxes.)
I've found that for 'Reasonably Priced' ammo, the CCI-SV is quite consistent. Last year I ran a bunch of ammo thru Chronno and CCI-SV was as consistent as SK-Flat Nose, which costs ca $15/box/50. I don't plan to spend more than that on ammo since there is NO competitions within 100 miles of me and travel is costly @ $1.80/litre. (I actually got all my 'SK Flavours' 2- years ago for $8-NO-tax private sale locally.)
I've found that for 'Reasonably Priced' ammo, the CCI-SV is quite consistent. Last year I ran a bunch of ammo thru Chronno and CCI-SV was as consistent as SK-Flat Nose, which costs ca $15/box/50. I don't plan to spend more than that on ammo since there is NO competitions within 100 miles of me and travel is costly @ $1.80/litre. (I actually got all my 'SK Flavours' 2- years ago for $8-NO-tax private sale locally.)
Thanks for the advice. I was planning to stock up on this CCI Target SV while it is available. This ammo is not available at Cabelas
Try SK Biathlon Sport if you can find a few boxes. Its different. All my rimfires really like it (two CZ's and an Anschutz) across various lots. With an advertised average MV of 1106 fps (although I have never verified this with a chronograph), its faster than the SK, yellow, red, and purple. The lube is different (more waxy) for the cold, but its shoots really good in the summer heat too. Yes it still has the usual frequency of crazy fliers box for this price range of target ammo, but I find it generally the best in its price class.
Also make a point to go to gun shows, hopefully some in your area. You don't know what you might run across, maybe someone is selling CCI-SV. But also reach out to your local shooting community. There is likely a lot of knowledge around you.
BUY MORE of that CCI-SV 'TARGET' ! ! (And try to get the same LOT # of all boxes.)
CCI SV is the luck of the draw.
TARGET is a designation used for an application . . . ie: TARGET.
As to lot numbers, CCI told me the numbers on the boxes do not mean anything to the user but only to them.
CCI in Idaho make 4,000,000 rounds of 22 long rifle per day.
CCI SV in the plastic trays are made in Idaho. CCI SV in the paper boxes of 50 are made under contract, probably by Federal in Nebraska. They are remarkably similar to Hornady "TARGET".
There is a video from CCI Idaho that will give you an idea as to the volume produced in one day. The priming mix and its transfer to the cases is an education onto itself.
CCI Green Tag is essentially CCI SV marketed as superior through their tests but my use of that product failed to confirm their claims.
The only reason I have CCI SV is because it was the best prize remaining on the table. In SPEED STEEL there are no FTF nor FTE and it always goes bang.
Check: How is 22 long rifle made - CCI Speer. This one is different than the first version I saw Which was part of perhaps an American Rifleman documentary.
This version differs from information on another site in respect to the 100 round plastic trays versus the paper boxes. Too many sources of information available on the internet.
CCI SV is the luck of the draw.
TARGET is a designation used for an application . . . ie: TARGET.
As to lot numbers, CCI told me the numbers on the boxes do not mean anything to the user but only to them.
CCI in Idaho make 4,000,000 rounds of 22 long rifle per day.
CCI SV in the plastic trays are made in Idaho. CCI SV in the paper boxes of 50 are made under contract, probably by Federal in Nebraska. They are remarkably similar to Hornady "TARGET".
There is a video from CCI Idaho that will give you an idea as to the volume produced in one day. The priming mix and its transfer to the cases is an education onto itself.
CCI Green Tag is essentially CCI SV marketed as superior through their tests but my use of that product failed to confirm their claims.
The only reason I have CCI SV is because it was the best prize remaining on the table. In SPEED STEEL there are no FTF nor FTE and it always goes bang.
Check: How is 22 long rifle made - CCI Speer. This one is different than the first version I saw Which was part of perhaps an American Rifleman documentary.
This version differs from information on another site in respect to the 100 round plastic trays versus the paper boxes. Too many sources of information available on the internet.
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Good info (as usual) Horseman2. I'd seen bits of that on various posts elsewhere, but not in 'one stop'. And I re-visited the mfg video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rCZHG_eEak&t=3s - I just wonder how bored the 'primer dude' must get doing hundreds of thousands of cases.
I guess it's amazing the speed-consistency given the manual step of the process. i've read that the primer is a major factor in speed, so this speaks to the accuracy of that process of this brand.
I guess it's amazing the speed-consistency given the manual step of the process. i've read that the primer is a major factor in speed, so this speaks to the accuracy of that process of this brand.
I let a good friend , that was fairly new to shooting, try my Vudoo at 100m, and he managed a couple of sub moa groups , with SK Long range. He then bought a Marlin and Ruger in 22lr, and 17hmr for his daughter and him to practise with. He was very disappointed in the accuracy, because he had no idea that the quality of a rifle/scope and the ammunition, could make such a huge difference in accuracy. He couldn't do better than 1-1/2" with the 17hmr, and the 22lr was averaging 2-3". After shooting his rifles and my rifles more, he replaced both of his rifles, with a Tikka in 17hmr, and a CZ in 22lr. He also bought a selection of ammunition, including some SK loads, and he has managed to greatly reduce the group size. After installing a Yo Dave trigger kit on the CZ, and replacing the very cheap scope, he is now doing 1 to 1-1/2" with the 22lr using SK Long Range,, and 3/4" to 1" with the 17hmr.
All above shooting was done with my first ever rifle. I am getting my second rifle tomorrow. The first one was bought as a recommendation from a store staff. The second one is a more infomed decision. I'll keep you all posted on my progress.
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My Ruger 10/22 Competition seems to like SK long range match.
Today I took out my new Ruger American Long Range Target rimfire to the range. I've put a meh scope on it and still waiting for the bipod delivery.
Once it is fully equipped, I am sure it is going to be a decent shooter.
Here are my two rugers
And first shooting results at 50yd, which I am not too impressed with (The top left group was my sighting of the scope):
Once it is fully equipped, I am sure it is going to be a decent shooter.
Here are my two rugers
And first shooting results at 50yd, which I am not too impressed with (The top left group was my sighting of the scope):
The mean radius stats are quite good.
But if those are spongy seat cushions under the rifle in the foreground of the photo, that likely accounts for any disappointment you are seeing in your groups or bullseye score. Those cushions will bounce your rifle before the rounds are out of the muzzle.
Support for the rifle needs to be solid and not bouncing (non-reactive to recoil forces and vibration from the blast). Sandbags filled with sand, or a heavy mechanical Benchrest style front rest will likely improve your groups and scores for that rifle.
Bipod: If you can clamp a piece of wood firmly in front of the bipod feet on the bench, that will give you something to gently load the bipod against. The recoil management needs to be to let the rifle recoil backwards smoothly, using the bipod as cantilever. However, this is hard to do on a bench. The issue with bipods with rubber feet on a hard bench is that they can bounce the fore-end of the stock, opening your groups. If using a bipod, you are better off on the bench carpet using ski feet that can slide backwards smoothly on the carpet with the recoil forces.
I too use bipods with rubber feet on some of my rifles (rimfire and centerfire). Its one of the disciplines (e.g. field equipment for sporter/hunting rifles), and it takes alot of practice to be able to shoot consistently small groups with them (a skill I have not yet become proficient in). On the bench I do like using my MPOD bipod with the ski feet which I think gives me better scores and smaller groups on average than a non-sliding bipod. But with some ingenuity you can make some ski feet attachments for bipods which have rubber feet.
But if those are spongy seat cushions under the rifle in the foreground of the photo, that likely accounts for any disappointment you are seeing in your groups or bullseye score. Those cushions will bounce your rifle before the rounds are out of the muzzle.
Support for the rifle needs to be solid and not bouncing (non-reactive to recoil forces and vibration from the blast). Sandbags filled with sand, or a heavy mechanical Benchrest style front rest will likely improve your groups and scores for that rifle.
Bipod: If you can clamp a piece of wood firmly in front of the bipod feet on the bench, that will give you something to gently load the bipod against. The recoil management needs to be to let the rifle recoil backwards smoothly, using the bipod as cantilever. However, this is hard to do on a bench. The issue with bipods with rubber feet on a hard bench is that they can bounce the fore-end of the stock, opening your groups. If using a bipod, you are better off on the bench carpet using ski feet that can slide backwards smoothly on the carpet with the recoil forces.
I too use bipods with rubber feet on some of my rifles (rimfire and centerfire). Its one of the disciplines (e.g. field equipment for sporter/hunting rifles), and it takes alot of practice to be able to shoot consistently small groups with them (a skill I have not yet become proficient in). On the bench I do like using my MPOD bipod with the ski feet which I think gives me better scores and smaller groups on average than a non-sliding bipod. But with some ingenuity you can make some ski feet attachments for bipods which have rubber feet.
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Thanks for the comment, Biologist.
This is a heavy-heavy bag, not a bouncy one.
Though it's my first run with this or any bag for that matter as have a bipod on my first rifle and I somewhat like the results.
Amazon delayed my order delivery with the bipod for 3 days now.. I was supposed to get it prior to today's range session
This is a heavy-heavy bag, not a bouncy one.
Though it's my first run with this or any bag for that matter as have a bipod on my first rifle and I somewhat like the results.
Amazon delayed my order delivery with the bipod for 3 days now.. I was supposed to get it prior to today's range session
