Weeks ago i asked about the n.e.f. rifles. The guys on CGN rated them good for the price.I was at the local gun shop and picked up a flyer on baikal firearms. They have various calibers in a single shot. Williams arms is selling one in 308 for $250.The double barrel rifles are around $775 The s/s rifles called Artemida; i heard are around a grand plus.TOO MUCH for my wallet at this time.You guys got any report on these guns.S.I.R. is sold out of the 45/70 n.e.f. at this point;also waiting for new 2006 product. Baikal has a 22 LR Self loading carbine coming soon.MP-161K it almost looks like a Beretta storm.Do you know what it is worth? www.baikalcanada.com
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I would go for the NEF,H&R line of rifles over Baikals,
If your still looking for a single shot 45/70 check this out:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42485
If your still looking for a single shot 45/70 check this out:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42485
Gatehouse said:Are those combo shotgun/rifle things that Remingotn is importing made by Baikal? I looked at one th eother day, I htought it was slick. Much better than a NEF...
Gatehouse, they are from Baikal, and I agree that they are much better.
Amphib, take a good look at another one, if you get a chance. The one you saw may have been a poor example, IMO, they are far better made and the triggers are defintely better.
Ted
NEF or Baikal
Baikal, without question. I have the single shot 30-06 with the twist style barrel. Nice fit and finish for $250.00 and decent open sight accuracy.
I've shot NEFs but never owned one for that reason. The Baikal just seems to be a better built gun for the money.
That's my $250.00 worth!
dorm
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Baikal, without question. I have the single shot 30-06 with the twist style barrel. Nice fit and finish for $250.00 and decent open sight accuracy.
I've shot NEFs but never owned one for that reason. The Baikal just seems to be a better built gun for the money.
That's my $250.00 worth!
dorm
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I wish the Baikal distributor in Australia would start bringing the IZH-18MH single shot rifle into the country chambered for something apart from .223, .308 and 30-06 rifles.
There are a heap of fun cals like 7x57R, 7x65R, 7.62x54R, 9.3x74R & even 7.62x39, although the '39 isn't really my bag.
They even say on their site that they are chambering it to 9x53R, apparently a new cartridge that I haven't been able to locate any info on.
Is it simply a 7.62x54R necked up to 9mm?
Can anyone help me there?
The other thing that puzzles me is why they can load such a high pressure rimless round as the .308 Win and yet not chamber others like 7x57 or 6.5x55when the case head is the same size and their pressure is lower, even in European factory loads.
If you can extract one rimless case surely you can extract another?
But I'd buy a 9.3x74R or 7x65R in a flash.
Even that 9mm cartridge sounds fun.
There are a heap of fun cals like 7x57R, 7x65R, 7.62x54R, 9.3x74R & even 7.62x39, although the '39 isn't really my bag.
They even say on their site that they are chambering it to 9x53R, apparently a new cartridge that I haven't been able to locate any info on.
Is it simply a 7.62x54R necked up to 9mm?
Can anyone help me there?
The other thing that puzzles me is why they can load such a high pressure rimless round as the .308 Win and yet not chamber others like 7x57 or 6.5x55when the case head is the same size and their pressure is lower, even in European factory loads.
If you can extract one rimless case surely you can extract another?
But I'd buy a 9.3x74R or 7x65R in a flash.
Even that 9mm cartridge sounds fun.
I know nothing of the Baikal so I can't talk about them
Extractors
my NEF 204 the 22-250, 7.62x39 and 500 S&W are extractors and as barrelss run out for the other ones the will too be extractors.
Triggers
Since the Marlin take over a couple of years ago the triggers are smother from the factory usually 3.5-4, the difference between the the 243 I had and my 204 is very noticable
Accuracy
My 204 is shooting like a dream (best group .39 for 3 @ 100 and 4 different bullets shooting ~.5) the 243 took more work to to get to shoot, but when I got it shooting I sold it off, 243 did not fload my boat. Though if a handi is going to be a dud it is spectacular in it's crappiness. Suprizingly it is usually fixable and tracable to a bad crown or bad lockup. I would not buy a superlight ever.
Neck sizing
As a rule of thumb you can't neck size with a break action, there is just too much give in the action. Now there are guys doing it but invariably they have to FL size eventually.
Extractors
my NEF 204 the 22-250, 7.62x39 and 500 S&W are extractors and as barrelss run out for the other ones the will too be extractors.
Triggers
Since the Marlin take over a couple of years ago the triggers are smother from the factory usually 3.5-4, the difference between the the 243 I had and my 204 is very noticable
Accuracy
My 204 is shooting like a dream (best group .39 for 3 @ 100 and 4 different bullets shooting ~.5) the 243 took more work to to get to shoot, but when I got it shooting I sold it off, 243 did not fload my boat. Though if a handi is going to be a dud it is spectacular in it's crappiness. Suprizingly it is usually fixable and tracable to a bad crown or bad lockup. I would not buy a superlight ever.
Neck sizing
As a rule of thumb you can't neck size with a break action, there is just too much give in the action. Now there are guys doing it but invariably they have to FL size eventually.
Good post aulrich, the triggers are definitely better now, my pal just bought an N.E.F. 50 cal M/L with an extra .243 barrel. The trigger is much lighter about 3 1/2 pounds... still creepy but not nearly as bad. The machining looks better than in the past as well... hopefully this and the new extractors will solve some of the old problems.
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I have 2 NEF rifles both are the SB-2 actions. My 30-30 is a little slopy in the action and has a heavy but creepless trigger. My 30-06 is much better finished, has a 4 pound trigger with no creep and the action is much tighter. Both need to be sized with small base dies to be sure that you get good ejection.
The probelm with both the Baikal and NEF is scoping them. Cna be a pain it the but.
The probelm with both the Baikal and NEF is scoping them. Cna be a pain it the but.
I am in the process of buying a NEF in 22-250. It's been "accurized" by a smith and the trigger had some work as well. I've heard you never know what you'll get as far as accuracy. The one I'm buying is ACCURATE! Had it out yesterday for the afternoon and I can't complain. A guy I was with had one in .243. It had been "accurized" as well. He had no complaitns either. His groups were pretty much the same hole, mine were a little worse...(he's great shot).
"I've heard you never know what you'll get as far as accuracy"
Pre marlin take over that did seem to be the case, New manufature does seem to be way more consistant ( that 22-250 is from after the takeover). there are a couple of things to look for that will help predict accuracy.
1. Take the forend off there should be no movement .
2. Since the forend if off smoke the latch pin shelf and reistall the barrel the mark in the soot should be even and about 1/8" deep
3. Take feeler guage and put it in on the breech face across the middle of the chamber. Ideally you should be able to close but not pull out .0015" you can go as high as .003" but that is real borderline. if you have bigger than that chances are you have problem 1.
My 243 had a .006" gap and it rattled to fix it I put a .0045 shim (Piece of feller guage), between the hindge pin and the notch. THat really tightened it up and the groups went under 1.5 immediatly.
There are other things, like the art/magic of how forearms and how the are fitted effect accuracy. You may want to go as far as slugging the barrel especially on an older handi to make sure it is not over-bore.
Realisitcally 1 - 1.5" @ 100 is the expected accuracy ( for bottle necked rounds) but many do much better, MOA or better. Two things when shooting groups with a handi.
1. Follow though on the trigger, if you don't the transfer bar can fall out of place causing inconsistant ignition.
2. Generally handi's like to be rested not on the forearm like a bolt gun but close to the hindge pin.Here is a picture of my homemade shooting rest to show you what I mean.
In my experience Handis can be more load sensitive than other guns. With my 204 with some loads +- .2 from the sweet spot and the groups opened up. With my 204 I changed my load develpment. I went max - 10% with intervals of .5 of a grain till max - 1 grain then up by .2. I fully believe that if I had done that with the 243 before I sold it it would have been pushing MOA maybe sub with a trigger job.
Pre marlin take over that did seem to be the case, New manufature does seem to be way more consistant ( that 22-250 is from after the takeover). there are a couple of things to look for that will help predict accuracy.
1. Take the forend off there should be no movement .
2. Since the forend if off smoke the latch pin shelf and reistall the barrel the mark in the soot should be even and about 1/8" deep
3. Take feeler guage and put it in on the breech face across the middle of the chamber. Ideally you should be able to close but not pull out .0015" you can go as high as .003" but that is real borderline. if you have bigger than that chances are you have problem 1.
My 243 had a .006" gap and it rattled to fix it I put a .0045 shim (Piece of feller guage), between the hindge pin and the notch. THat really tightened it up and the groups went under 1.5 immediatly.
There are other things, like the art/magic of how forearms and how the are fitted effect accuracy. You may want to go as far as slugging the barrel especially on an older handi to make sure it is not over-bore.
Realisitcally 1 - 1.5" @ 100 is the expected accuracy ( for bottle necked rounds) but many do much better, MOA or better. Two things when shooting groups with a handi.
1. Follow though on the trigger, if you don't the transfer bar can fall out of place causing inconsistant ignition.
2. Generally handi's like to be rested not on the forearm like a bolt gun but close to the hindge pin.Here is a picture of my homemade shooting rest to show you what I mean.
In my experience Handis can be more load sensitive than other guns. With my 204 with some loads +- .2 from the sweet spot and the groups opened up. With my 204 I changed my load develpment. I went max - 10% with intervals of .5 of a grain till max - 1 grain then up by .2. I fully believe that if I had done that with the 243 before I sold it it would have been pushing MOA maybe sub with a trigger job.
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Baikal all the way do not bother with the NEF
