Nature of Things: Coywolf
- Thread starter wgamble89
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Stupid name, commie tv station, and deluded scienticians aside, do any other Eastern folks think that the hunting calls (howlers, kiyi's, etc) are too high pitched for the big dogs we have out here? I was listening to them on Thursday night when I put my dogs out, and they sounded much more wolf-like in their pitch and tone. I think I'll be sticking to prey calls.
Mount Sweetness
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- Southern Ontario
The one thing that I did find interesting was that they actually have dna proof that the two breeds do mate to create hybrids, I had always thought it was purely speculation. My Great Grandfather who was born in 1896 grew up calling the local coyotes....Brush Wolves. Around here you used to hear some hunters call them Coydogs but not much anymore, much cooler to say yotes now...
Adrian J Hare
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- NewLowell On. Can.
Never seen it , had no interest at all , I will NOT support and Anti Hunter at his game.....
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- Nova Scotia
It is a strange anomaly considering that the wolf was the only natural predator of the Coyote at one time.
I liked the show, put aside who/what broadcasted it and looking at the show itself pretty hard not to find it interesting.... Didn't like when that cop shot and killed the male outside the den area...Seems he shot it just because he could (being a cop) not because it needed to be done....
Save them for the hunters..
Save them for the hunters..
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- New Brunswick
There's an interesting book titled "Eastern Coyote: Secret of it's Success" written by biologist Gerry Parker. For the better part of his career, Gerry Parker worked for the government out of Sackville, NB.....not sure if it was fed or prov. When the coyote started to really establish itself in NB and NS he began his research. Since the coyote is so new to the Maritimes....a tremendous amount of research has been done in a relatively short span of time. I'm sure that the information in this book quells many of the misconceptions which surround the eastern coyote and any avid predator hunter should add it to his/her library. By the way, Gerry Parker was probably one of the first authors to put in print the proven fact that eastern coyotes share some gray wolf DNA. He also writes extensively on domestic dog/coyote crosses and puts to rest many myths which surround that subject as well.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Probably not back then, I certainly don't remember them. Not sure just when they moved in to south/central Ontario, but they are here to stay now, and in huge numbers.
Didn't like when that cop shot and killed the male outside the den area...Seems he shot it just because he could (being a cop) not because it needed to be done....
Save them for the hunters..
It only seemed that way because that is the way they presented it.
+1
I hear them every night howling (~750m away) & see them regularly cruising the area (sometimes ~15ft from my patio)...
Canadian_Zuk
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- Pickering, Ontario
Bah, I don't buy all this Coywolf marketing crap. If a coyote mates with a domestic dog than of course it's offspring is going to have wolf DNA. ALL dogs came from the domestication of grey wolves 15-20,000 years ago! This isn't new.
If you have hunted coyotes out west and in Nova Scotia you would think differently. Our coyotes are totally different and more like your brush wolves than anything.
A coywolf (coyote + wolf) and coydog (coyote + dog) are two different animals. The modern day wolf is a quite a distance genetically from your shih-tzu.
They use the terms 'eastern coyote' and 'coywolf' interchangeably in the documentary but I think this can be confusing because there are a lot of subspecies in the mix. An eastern coyote will be much more comparable to a red wolf or eastern grey wolf than the big greys (or timbers) you see out west.
One interesting aspect is the behavioural changes that come along with the hybridization. Eastern coyote (probably the most appropriate term) seem to pack up more. It is not that the western coyote does not cooperate but not to this extent. Give full credence to the DNA research, it is accurate when describing these animal's origins. A show on Planet Earth keyed on PEI and the changes in the animal hierarchy are taking place since the eastern Coyote's arrival. The sheep farmers were not happy. Foxes got pushed right off their normal territory and had to change their ways to survive. Being an island you would wonder if you could take out the coyote population. Probably not. Eradication does not seem to apply to coyotes, they just have more pups.
Have to say I have seen some pretty large ones over your way also in the past few years when goose hunting, pretty much the same size as what has become the norm here
The packing up, size and the boldness is definately a change here since the 1st ones we would see in the 80's. Back then rabbits and rodents were the food of choice now it is deer and even some say they are starting to hit moose.
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