NEA fanboys/issues

One thing that may be a part of the perception that hasn't been mentioned here is that many people buying NEA's are buying their first AR. So when someone who is frustrated with a problem posts " it's my first AR and my NEA isn't working and sucks", it's a little different than when a "known entity" says there's an issue. Much of the so-called cover up is more experienced users trying to help less experienced users diagnose a problem. The vast majority of AR issues are mag related - so the guy says I don't know what kind of mag it is, and those who are more experienced with AR's say something like "how the hell DON'T you know, that's critical" and the mag comes under suspicion. I think it's safe to say some few of NEA's rifles have had issues, and the majority have not. The response I've seen from NEA is amazing - you will not get as much interest in your problem from the vast majority of manufacturers, it's more common to get no interest at all.
 
enefgee said:
One thing that may be a part of the perception that hasn't been mentioned here is that many people buying NEA's are buying their first AR. So when someone who is frustrated with a problem posts " it's my first AR and my NEA isn't working and sucks", it's a little different than when a "known entity" says there's an issue. Much of the so-called cover up is more experienced users trying to help less experienced users diagnose a problem. The vast majority of AR issues are mag related - so the guy says I don't know what kind of mag it is, and those who are more experienced with AR's say something like "how the hell DON'T you know, that's critical" and the mag comes under suspicion. I think it's safe to say some few of NEA's rifles have had issues, and the majority have not. The response I've seen from NEA is amazing - you will not get as much interest in your problem from the vast majority of manufacturers, it's more common to get no interest at all.
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As one of the people that are looking into NEA's for a first AR, I completely agree with you.

The way NEA is handling the situations regarding quality control issues pretty well sells it for me. Eager to help and interested in feedback.
As someone who works in retail, that speaks much louder volumes.
 
How old is the NEA AR now?

You buy a brand new $100,000 plus class 8 truck and you can be assured it'll take at least a year to work out all the bugs with the truck. Sub par dealership warranty work that leaves the truck worse than when it was broken. Customer Service reps from the manufacture that are not interested in their product. All in all it was a horrifying experience and I'm just an employee, I didn't have to buy the truck.

On the other hand you have NEA a small Canadian Company, showing what it means to be Canadian. To stand behind your work, and honestly take your licks if you make a mistake. I rarely like the way NEA designs its products or how they do things, but their Customer Service is unquestionable.
 
Personally, I have no problem buying a NEA - 2 years from now. I'll wait until the QA/QC improves and all the bugs are worked out and buy one.

It's not a slag against NEA - look at the "perfection" that is the Gen 4 Glock.......it happens with early models and adopters.

Frankly, I thank NEA and all of you for working the gremlins out for me.:)
 
tritium said:
But I have used many AR's and know the platform very well... Although Claven may know more! :)
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LOL - I doubt that. My "forte" is the manufacturing processes themselves and the materials used. I've built a good many AR's for myself and others, but I'm no "expert" when it comes to the finer points of how they are used in the real world.

For me, it needs to make tight groups on paper and have ambi controls... oh, and it needs to work reliably. Everything else is picking peanuts out of sh!t about manufacturing differences that only matter if your life depends on the rifle - which it doesn't.

I should probably post a LOT less about these rifles, but so often people trash various AR products for stupid and invalid reasons, while ignoring the things that really do matter and I'm a little OCD about it. Of course, not everyone looks at a gun part with the same concerns in mind.
 
it almost seems that the canadian shooters are determined to drive their own canadian companies away.

new canadian AR and people are complaining about how bad they all are, even though some of the whiners don't even have the gun or just rehash previously found and rectified defects.

look at how people ##### about Dlask and ATRS. there may be issues there, but again, some act like they are offended by home grown products.

go over to the Marstar forum and is is laughable how people rip on Jon for little problems that usually Jon doesn't even get to attend to.

SH!T happens, and as long as the manufacturer is trying to resolve the issues, big fukcing deal, get it fixed and move on. do some of you prefer the chinese crap and the US BS to get guns/parts?

BTW i only own a front sight from NEA, not a fanboy. just sick of the haters.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
do some of you prefer the chinese crap and the US BS to get guns/parts?
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Some of the ppl who are likely not going to buy anything NEA ever makes are also vocal proponents of buying a norc AR and ammo for the difference in price.

It's not my advice, but it's not bad advice either. Where Norinco is concerned though, PERSONALLY, I would not order one of their AR's unless I could inspect the actual rifle first. Some seem just fine, other less so.

Ever heard the term "the gap" when referring to the norincos? Funny how it's so common we have a name for it but they get a free pass due to price.
 
I won't buy NEA Ar15 on sheer principle.

they don't use 7075. Doesn't matter to you? WELL IT DOES TO ME.

I'm not going to pay near LMT price for nowhere near the same quality.

In terms of the AR15. Someone else has done it better. So I won't bother with them.

I've had several AR's. everything from TNW (yes. TNW) to Spikes to Norcs and I've even played with origional SP1 colts.

I run a bushmaster now; and will probably only replace it when I shoot out the barrel.
 
I don't get these threads. Buy what works for you and be happy with it.

I bought a Chinese crap M4 because my range is inaccessible in the winter, I'm not that into AR's and I trust Marstar's customer service.

Other people prefer other AR's for other reasons. Cool with me.

Does NEA have hiccups? Yes! Do they make it right? Yes! Cool.

People bash Norcs here all the time. They're made of pot metal, melted axles
etc. I don't care. Mine works and if it didn't John would have replaced it.

Buy your AR, shoot it, love it, STFU about everyone else's. :ar15:
 
Sorry, but if we did that this forum would hold little interst. There wouldn't be much to talk about.
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Seconded. Even when the debates are silly/insulting, its still good to be talking about it.

I'm curious as to how much of this is just internet chatter though. I mean, what percentage of gun owners are active on here or other forums? I'd guess like 5% if that. But, how many NEA owners are on here? I'd haphazard a guess and say 30%-50%
 
ColassalEntry said:
I won't buy NEA Ar15 on sheer principle.

they don't use 7075. Doesn't matter to you? WELL IT DOES TO ME.

I'm not going to pay near LMT price for nowhere near the same quality.

In terms of the AR15. Someone else has done it better. So I won't bother with them.

I've had several AR's. everything from TNW (yes. TNW) to Spikes to Norcs and I've even played with origional SP1 colts.

I run a bushmaster now; and will probably only replace it when I shoot out the barrel.
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Umm... ok.

1) Why are you slagging TNW? Some of their stuff is decent.
2) Bushmaster isn't exactly without its horror stories. I'm glad you like yours.
3) 7075 billet receivers. Umm... ok. Not going there again.
4) SP1 = awesomeness. On this we very much agree.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Seconded. Even when the debates are silly/insulting, its still good to be talking about it.

I'm curious as to how much of this is just internet chatter though. I mean, what percentage of gun owners are active on here or other forums? I'd guess like 5% if that. But, how many NEA owners are on here? I'd haphazard a guess and say 30%-50%
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13% of our rifles are on Canadian soil. 100% of the 18 guns we had issue are on Canadian soil. 95% of our time is spent on Canadian Forums fixing it. How many of those 18 are on CGN... 13 so far. If I could only get the other 82% to come on CGN and speak their minds I wouldn't have to be here.
 
canuck98k said:
People bash Norcs here all the time. They're made of pot metal, melted axles
etc. I don't care. Mine works and if it didn't John would have replaced it.
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Norinco uses great materials. The ones I see which have issues are generally related to fit and finish with only a few exceptions.
 
13% of our rifles are on Canadian soil.
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You're kidding!? That's the coolest thing I've heard all day. Do you guys export most of your stuff to the states then? Civilian stuff or do you have group buys from police depts and the like?

I totally thought NEA was just catering to the tiny (#####y) Canadian market.

Being an exporter like that suddenly seems really interesting!
 
Claven2 said:
Umm... ok.

1) Why are you slagging TNW? Some of their stuff is decent.
2) Bushmaster isn't exactly without its horror stories. I'm glad you like yours.
3) 7075 billet receivers. Umm... ok. Not going there again.
4) SP1 = awesomeness. On this we very much agree.
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1) never slaged. Just stated and reaffirmed. Not many people even know about it to be honest.
2) every manufacturer has bad batches. I'll just never buy NEA.
3) again it matter to me; enough so that I will not buy the rifle which justifies my statement in number 2.
4) loved the SP1 XD
 
2bad4u2 said:
Sorry, but if we did that this forum would hold little interst. There wouldn't be much to talk about.
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I'm not saying stop discussing options, I'm saying we could stop with the blind slagging/blind obedience that goes on.

NEA has done nothing wrong, yet they are being carved pretty good by some posters. Ones who don't even own an NEA it seems.

Why do they care? Most likely they've bought higher priced rifles and need to justify it by knocking the other options.

It would be like me running into every non-Norinco thread an slamming posters for paying $1000+ for range only guns. What business is it of mine how people spend their money?

Just like if NEA owners are happy with the solutions the company has come up with why would I carve NEA?

Norinco uses great materials. The ones I see which have issues are generally related to fit and finish with only a few exceptions.
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See, here's an example. I have a Norc and agree with Claven2. They function well, but are after all $700 guns. However according to the flavour around here I should defend Norcs at all costs, call Claven2 out, and then slag whatever make he uses.

That's what I meant by, "I don't get these threads". The territoriality baffles me.
 
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