NEA Non-Restricted Rifle? "NEA25"

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mildcustom2 said:
Oh no not at all. If it ends up non restricted the MSRP is only like $1600. Nope no competition at all since it only appeals to a greater percentage of the populations income level. :rolleyes:
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Why would anyone even risk buying it at that price considering their track record with the NEA 15? Seeing how many issues they had with an AR-15, I don't have any faith in a proprietary firearm from them. Have you read the NEA problem thread?
 
griffin86 said:
Why would anyone even risk buying it at that price considering their track record with the NEA 15? Seeing how many issues they had with an AR-15, I don't have any faith in a proprietary firearm from them. Have you read the NEA problem thread?
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Proprietary firearm? Have some inside details on the type of parts used in this NEA rifle or are you making an assumption?

Maybe it's like the Modern Hunter and uses 95% AR parts.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Proprietary firearm? Have some inside details on the type of parts used in this NEA rifle or are you making an assumption?

Maybe it's like the Modern Hunter and uses 95% AR parts.
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It would have to be a proprietary firearm, the Modern Hunter is a proprietary firearm. The Modern Hunter doesn't use 95% AR parts, if it did it would be restricted.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Oh no not at all. If it ends up non restricted the MSRP is only like $1600. Nope no competition at all since it only appeals to a greater percentage of the populations income level. :rolleyes:
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I fear NEA as competition about as much as Ferrari fears Lada. 2 completely different markets and totally different demands for quality.

When they 1st started to make an AR15 clone that was less than 50% of what our basic AT15 sold for, we did not feel any impact as some folks value high quality over being the cheapest.
 
griffin86 said:
It would have to be a proprietary firearm, the Modern Hunter is a proprietary firearm. The Modern Hunter doesn't use 95% AR parts, if it did it would be restricted.
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You really don't have a clue.

The Modern Hunter uses a Timney AR trigger ( as per the FRT report ), AR10 barrel from proof research, AR handguard, AR mags, AR buffer tube, AR DI gas system and gas block, AR butt stock, AR Pistol grip.

It's about as AR as it gets. The only saving grace is the upper and lower mounting style and the reciprocating charging handle. Rick even tells people that if they go belly up people don't have to worry about parts for their Modern Hunters because it's all off the shelf AR parts.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
I fear NEA as competition about as much as Ferrari fears Lada. 2 completely different markets and totally different demands for quality.

When they 1st started to make an AR15 clone that was less than 50% of what our basic AT15 sold for, we did not feel any impact as some folks value high quality over being the cheapest.
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Want to back up that claim with a comparison of your production numbers versus their production numbers. When the lower receivers were fire saled at SFRC they sold hundreds in a matter of days. Can you claim that? Maybe a comparison of your financials versus theirs would really tell the story on who's generating the most revenue.
 
I cant see the rifle pictured not being classed as an ar10. If they had an frt already id be a bit more excited but i wont hold my breath.
 
mildcustom2 said:
You really don't have a clue.

The Modern Hunter uses a Timney AR trigger ( as per the FRT report ), AR10 barrel from proof research, AR handguard, AR mags, AR buffer tube, AR DI gas system and gas block, AR butt stock, AR Pistol grip.

It's about as AR as it gets. The only saving grace is the upper and lower mounting style and the reciprocating charging handle. Rick even tells people that if they go belly up people don't have to worry about parts for their Modern Hunters because it's all off the shelf AR parts.
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Non-Reciprocating charging handle. The parts are not necessarily proprietary and that was absolutely by design intention, but how the parts are utilized is another story.

If they are genuinely following the AR10 stoner design route, and it's pre-dating the AR15 etc. etc. to try and attain non-restricted status and it works, that would be very interesting from a classification stand point.

For quality and accuracy, I'll just wait and see but I'm really not worried. Every step we took to ensure a non restricted status, appears to have not been done in the pictures shown. Very curious to see how that plays out, but I wouldn't be willing to bet a dime.
 
mildcustom2 said:
You really don't have a clue.

The Modern Hunter uses a Timney AR trigger ( as per the FRT report ), AR10 barrel from proof research, AR handguard, AR mags, AR buffer tube, AR DI gas system and gas block, AR butt stock, AR Pistol grip.

It's about as AR as it gets. The only saving grace is the upper and lower mounting style and the reciprocating charging handle. Rick even tells people that if they go belly up people don't have to worry about parts for their Modern Hunters because it's all off the shelf AR parts.
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So an upper receiver, lower receiver, side charging handle, bolt carrier, gas block, ambi magazine release is 5% of firearm?
 
If NEA offered one of these NR rifles in 7.62x39 I would buy one. It would be wonderful if the QC issues have been resolved and they make a comeback in the domestic market. We need more domestic manufacturers.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Want to back up that claim with a comparison of your production numbers versus their production numbers. When the lower receivers were fire saled at SFRC they sold hundreds in a matter of days. Can you claim that? Maybe a comparison of your financials versus theirs would really tell the story on who's generating the most revenue.
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We have never been put in a position of having to fire sale any of our products.
I am really hopeful that they have as profitable business as you claim they do. They will very likely need to produce financials during discoveries in the not to distant future.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Add up the quantity of parts that are off the shelf AR and what isn't and you will figure it out.
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You appear to be in need of a remedial math course. And as usual are posting about things you know little or nothing about.
You have 110% NO clue as to what is or is not made here, your assumptions and speculation make you look like a fool to those who actually know what all is made here and exactly how much of our rifles are 100% proprietary.
 
Why so vicious? Calm down. Can't we just be excited about a POSSIBLE new option for the NR black rifle market? ATRS, I am sure your rifles are awesome, but most people cannot even close to afford your rifles due to the high quality and the price tag that comes with it.. It would be great for something more affordable that isn't designed for precision to hit the market to fill in that lower price range that more people will be able to afford. I think trying to compare to a design that you have not even seen or know anything about is comparing apples to oranges. So stop being so defensive. Let us hillbillies be excited about something new without it being soured by vendors bickering.

I myself am looking forward to new options on the market no matter the design or who they are made by. There is plenty of space in my safe for all of them :p
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
There is a saying. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I figured it would only be a matter of time until someone tried to reverse engineer what we have done. I would have preferred however for it not to be a lowest quality manufacturer.
It should make for some very interesting reading on the forums IF they actually do get into production.
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Ouch, tell us how you really feel.
 
driller212 said:
Why so vicious? Calm down. Can't we just be excited about a POSSIBLE new option for the NR black rifle market? ATRS, I am sure your rifles are awesome, but most people cannot even close to afford your rifles due to the high quality and the price tag that comes with it.. It would be great for something more affordable that isn't designed for precision to hit the market to fill in that lower price range that more people will be able to afford. I think trying to compare to a design that you have not even seen or know anything about is comparing apples to oranges. So stop being so defensive. Let us hillbillies be excited about something new without it being soured by vendors bickering.

I myself am looking forward to new options on the market no matter the design or who they are made by. There is plenty of space in my safe for all of them :p
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I am just tired of the same 2 CGN members constantly trying to thwart our efforts for their own agenda. If you go back to 2010 posts where we first started with the Modern Hunter saga, you will find constant harassment regarding FRT issuance and these 2 CGN members doing all they could to put doubt into the minds of purchasers. Again with NO knowledge what so ever of what they were speaking of.
There are many threads on all of the gun forums as to the quality and number of issues NEA has or had as well as how NEA markets their products. The NEA shillgate threads come to mind and makes me wonder about the transparency of some of the posters in this thread already.

It is true I have no love for NEA given what they are accused of being involved in here, in late 2009 and early 2010. Being as the case is still before the courts I cannot say more.

I am also very cognizant of the fact that not all can afford our rifles and would have no problem with a Canadian company that took the initiative to design and produce rifles as we have. It is NOT a competition thing, we fully support and endorse companies like Cadex, who ARE truly Canadian competition, but also competition that is wholly above board in business and produces a high quality product.
 
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