NEA Problems
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redshooter
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Again, I must have missed something, please someone direct me to the reply that documents the chain of events. All I've seen is some pictures.
I didn't know they trained you metal working types to work out how something failed by a few pics...impressive! I'm not saying your wrong, I am saying you have no idea why...beyond it's NEA.
Black Rifles reminds me of working in an office full of women...at least when it comes to NEA, a few assumptions lead to confident declarations of what, where, and how...what a bunch of hot air and rhetoric.
I didn't know they trained you metal working types to work out how something failed by a few pics...impressive! I'm not saying your wrong, I am saying you have no idea why...beyond it's NEA.
Black Rifles reminds me of working in an office full of women...at least when it comes to NEA, a few assumptions lead to confident declarations of what, where, and how...what a bunch of hot air and rhetoric.
Somfin wong witchu , either you are working for NEA or You are a relative to someone at NeA. Last time my Nea crap broke you were saying the Same sh$T .
lots of shill accounts for nea here, thats the only way I can explain it, or just people too proud to admit they own crap. When my CA exploded in my face I sure as hell wasnt saying ohhh its ok, they are new, theyll work things out, lets give them a chance, they are good guys, they answer the phone. NO! i said it was a facking piece of crap that only deserves to be peed on. And ill repeat that to anyone who asks me about Christensen Arms.
When a goddamn rifle explodes in your face bro, you have a huge problem. When multiple rifles explode in peoples faces the company has a huge problem.
I just dont understand the logic of some folks here. Eevery week theres a thread on this, and then followed up by threads that NEA sells the most rifles in Canada, that NEA sells rifles to the ateam special operators canadian navy seals cia kurdish operators, like wtf!
When a goddamn rifle explodes in your face bro, you have a huge problem. When multiple rifles explode in peoples faces the company has a huge problem.
I just dont understand the logic of some folks here. Eevery week theres a thread on this, and then followed up by threads that NEA sells the most rifles in Canada, that NEA sells rifles to the ateam special operators canadian navy seals cia kurdish operators, like wtf!
Well according to the poll, of the people who voted, over 50% who have owned NEA rifles had problems with them. Hardly "hot air and rhetoric."
When AR15s kaboom, even from overpressure rounds, the cam pin and the barrel extension are rarely the first things to fail.
Here, for example is a kaboom where the cause was definitively determined to be overpressure. The barrel extension held fast while both receivers and the magazine blew apart around it. The bolt carrier split into pieces around the cam pin, but it remained in place sticking out of the bolt. http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/ar15kaboom.html
Photos can tell you a lot about the chain of events, dismissing them is tantamount to dismissing all physical evidence. Apart from photos, what are you looking for to explain what happened to that rifle?
When AR15s kaboom, even from overpressure rounds, the cam pin and the barrel extension are rarely the first things to fail.
Here, for example is a kaboom where the cause was definitively determined to be overpressure. The barrel extension held fast while both receivers and the magazine blew apart around it. The bolt carrier split into pieces around the cam pin, but it remained in place sticking out of the bolt. http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/ar15kaboom.html
Photos can tell you a lot about the chain of events, dismissing them is tantamount to dismissing all physical evidence. Apart from photos, what are you looking for to explain what happened to that rifle?
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Runningfool
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So other than the 7.62X39 that we saw recently, what were the other NEAs that we've seen "explode in people's faces"?
Mine.
Runningfool
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There was a thread about another one that I am aware of, but it was nuked. People can come to their own conclusions, but the thread title probably speaks for itself:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?767451-NEA-15-Ka-Boom
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deagle2008's rifle for one http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?767451-NEA-15-Ka-Boom oh wait that thread is not available, how odd.
Runningfool
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Sorry deagle, don't mean to discount your issues as they were many and significant, but the problems you had are not what come to mind when I picture a rifle exploding in someone's face.
I think you are confusing Deagle's thread (which is still there) with the one Grapeshot has already mentioned.
Iirc that thread was one that contained pics of NEA ka-booming their own rifle with a known over-pressure round to test how the rifle would handle the stress. I don't recall any other NEA ka-boom on CGN but could be wrong.
Edited to add: Here are the NEA ka-boom pics and details that I was referring to above. The thread was nuked on CGN (for reasons that are apparent in the linked thread) but the images and details can be found here: http://www.gunsite.co.za/forums/showthread.php?24048-NEA-15-Ka-Boom
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I gave up with trying to have a reasonable discussion on the subject of NEA. There are a core of about 10 members who are really responsible for all the negative press about NEA.. then the the rest who knew a guy who knew guy.
They had some crappy bolts... fixed
They had some issues with tolerances with at least some of the earlier billet products.. fixed and now they are using forgings like most others AFAIK. Also, aside from the proven dust cover fitment issue, were there any examples (plural.. not just one guy claiming it) of many major fitment problems? I don't even count the whining about stuff like the front hinge pin not fitting some non OEM handguards.. stuff like that is minor IMO
With the wealth of competition during a strong dollar era period perhaps these don't seem like good value.. Maybe a little better as the USA exchange rate goes sour.
I think when you consider the amount of guns sold with the amount of proven issues, and take into consideration the source of the vast majority of the negative comments, a reasonable person can judge for themselves what is satisfactory and what is not. As far as I have heard the customer service has been pretty good for those that had issues in most cases. As for those who were not happy... who knows what the actual facts are? I just go by the numbers of satisfied people who ACTUALLY own one
Nice. That's about what a kaboom should look like with a mildly overpressured round. While I wasn't the one who made the claim of multiple exploding rifles, I guess I didn't recall the contents of that thread correctly. So I agree, I have not seen more than one catastrophic failure of an NEA rifle caused by poor manufacturing. But judging from what I saw recently, I have seen at least one.
It's interesting to see the differences between that overpressure kaboom, and the catastrophic failure from two weeks ago. Since they're both rifles from the same manufacturer it's also good evidence that the latter event was probably not caused by an overpressured round. In that case:
-there was minimal damage to the upper and lower
-extractor wasn't blown out
-bolt carrier was still in one piece
-OP reported no explosion or change in recoil, but "just a lot of smoke and I took the charging handle to the face"
It's interesting to see the differences between that overpressure kaboom, and the catastrophic failure from two weeks ago. Since they're both rifles from the same manufacturer it's also good evidence that the latter event was probably not caused by an overpressured round. In that case:
-there was minimal damage to the upper and lower
-extractor wasn't blown out
-bolt carrier was still in one piece
-OP reported no explosion or change in recoil, but "just a lot of smoke and I took the charging handle to the face"
For the record, one of my 4 AR's is NEA with no issues... but with a low round count. My buddy's rifle however (which I assembled) has fired almost 5000 rounds so far (some times with another perfectly fitting Spike's upper) and has had zero malfunctions. I have been beside him for all but around 500 of those rounds so this is a first hand account. In my club of 800 members I have not heard one word about NEA, good or bad. Usually horror stories of sh*tty guns or explosions stories spread like wildfire??? Nothing.
so what is your story?
Runningfool
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Thanks for your post Grapeshot. I wish there was more opportunity in this forum to discuss these kinds of issues maturely like you have without all of the chips on the shoulders and baggage of some who can't seem to shake them off.
Fwiw, though the rifles came from the same manufacturer, we are talking about 2 different calibers. The recent barrel extension failure was in a 7.62X39 AR whereas the ka-boom was 556 - I don't know know enough about 7.62 ARs to know whether this is relevant to what we are seeing in that failure but thought it was worth mentioning.
Fwiw, though the rifles came from the same manufacturer, we are talking about 2 different calibers. The recent barrel extension failure was in a 7.62X39 AR whereas the ka-boom was 556 - I don't know know enough about 7.62 ARs to know whether this is relevant to what we are seeing in that failure but thought it was worth mentioning.
Last year I bought an NEA 7.62x39 14.5" upper. Barrel was so warped that it was shooting about a foot to the right at 50 yards with windage on iron sights maxed out. Tried grouping with an EOTech with the windage cranked and it was spitting massive groups of about 6-8" at 50. Couldn't shoot with my cheek on the stock as the reticle would be nearly outside the viewing window.
Removed handguard to look at the barrel and it was visibly bent. Sent it back to NEA, got a new barrel sent to me, sold it and never looked back. But like I said before, if in a few years there are fewer or no reports of problems I'd probably give them another shot.
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