NEA vs Norc AR - help me justify spending more $$$

Charles Martel said:
exactly, if our involvement in building AR's scares anyone then there is a large block of F-18 Ef's that need to be grounded, as well i suggest nobody fly on any bombardier RJ or Dash 8 aircraft.
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I do not think that you building AR's scares anybody. The AR is a proven product and you are copying it just like the Chinese are. You will be putting your Canadian made entry level AR against the Chinese AR. Time will tell on the outcome but my bet is on the Chinese, price and function.
 
I own a ~$2000 AR. I would love to sit here and spout on about how much better it is than the cheapy AR's but the fact of the matter is, its probably not by much. That being said, it possesses a lot of features that the cheapies don't come with, mainly because a lot of that $2000 price tag is made up of what I put on it. I'm a brand whore as much as the next guy (maybe worse), however I have owned a Norinco 1911 and can say that I loved it. It was a nice pistol. I sold it to buy a Glock - mainly for brand whoring reasons (guilty as charged), I had no issues with the Norc 1911.

Would I buy Norinco again? Probably. Would I have bought a Norinco AR? No, but only because I wasn't on a budget, wanted to build my AR from scratch, and wanted top notch everything. Will it make me a better shooter? No. Will it be more accurate than a Norinco. Probably Not.

If you are on a budget, and aren't looking for a high dollar gun, the Norinco is an amazing gun. Its great quality, shoots well, and is reliable. Its a great way to get into AR's. If your plan is to add all kinds of goodies like a high dollar quad rail or an eotech or whatever, and you aren't necessarily set on the dollars, start with a higher dollar base. I only say this for the resale side of things. I learned through my Norc 1911, that no matter how much money you put into a Norc, you will still get Norc dollars for it, despite how good the guns are. The stigma exists and isn't going anywhere.

All that being said, if you are ready to buy a Norc for 700 dollars, and you can get a Canadian made AR, with a Canadian office, and a Canadian warranty, without the stigma related to a Norc (whether right or wrong) - go with the NEA.
 
They're all tools and they all do a job. Some do it better than others, some have more gizmos and gadgets and features. It all comes down to what your preference is.

Norinco came into the game with a very cheap entry level AR that works. They will always have a market and followers for that.

However, we are not competing with Norinco.. our pricing only happens to be closer to theirs than the other AR manufacturers. We've just priced according to our production and costs and decided not to over-inflate solely for profit.

The Norc is what it is.. I know lots of people that use it that have out shot others with guns 5x what the Norc is. It's a tool in the hands of a person that either knows how to use it or doesn't. I also know many people with Knights rifles that can't shoot for sh*t... doesn't mean it's the guns fault.

Bottom line is get the tool that meets your needs. Look at the features being provided and go from there. It's just an AR.. nobody's trying to reinvent the wheel here; we're trying to offer as much value and technology as we can into ours which some will appreciate and others could care less about. It's all personal and people defend their gun manufacturers like they defend their car manufacturers.. it's not an argument anyone wins. Go to the dealership and choose...

As for the criticism, I openly welcome it and expect it. We have a new product with features and pricing not seen in this area. I expect people to be skeptical... Even criticism brings conversation and in turn interest. It's hard to turn down publicity and discussion, especially on a developing product. Based solely on discussions here we have made alterations to processing and design on this project. It's rare for any manufacturer to have access to such a vocal market and hear the concerns of their end-users throughout the development & testing phases. It leads to a very fluid process and luckily for us we are able to capitalize on that fluidity. It gives us a better product and in turn you a better one..



- Dave
 
North Eastern Arms said:
They're all tools and they all do a job. Some do it better than others, some have more gizmos and gadgets and features. It all comes down to what your preference is.

Norinco came into the game with a very cheap entry level AR that works. They will always have a market and followers for that.

However, we are not competing with Norinco.. our pricing only happens to be closer to theirs than the other AR manufacturers. We've just priced according to our production and costs and decided not to over-inflate solely for profit.

The Norc is what it is.. I know lots of people that use it that have out shot others with guns 5x what the Norc is. It's a tool in the hands of a person that either knows how to use it or doesn't. I also know many people with Knights rifles that can't shoot for sh*t... doesn't mean it's the guns fault.

Bottom line is get the tool that meets your needs. Look at the features being provided and go from there. It's just an AR.. nobody's trying to reinvent the wheel here; we're trying to offer as much value and technology as we can into ours which some will appreciate and others could care less about. It's all personal and people defend their gun manufacturers like they defend their car manufacturers.. it's not an argument anyone wins. Go to the dealership and choose...

As for the criticism, I openly welcome it and expect it. We have a new product with features and pricing not seen in this area. I expect people to be skeptical... Even criticism brings conversation and in turn interest. It's hard to turn down publicity and discussion, especially on a developing product. Based solely on discussions here we have made alterations to processing and design on this project. It's rare for any manufacturer to have access to such a vocal market and hear the concerns of their end-users throughout the development & testing phases. It leads to a very fluid process and luckily for us we are able to capitalize on that fluidity. It gives us a better product and in turn you a better one..



- Dave
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Well said again Dave :) Your responses have only made me want one of your AR,s more .....I am starting regretting being so frugal and thrifty with my 1st AR...ok say it Cheap...lol
 
CdnCombatMedic said:
"Its Canadian Made" - who cares. I dont care where its made as long as its a great product. I am not just going to buy something because it is made here. Alot of "s**t" is made here.

I am also waiting for the bugs to be worked out. I want to see reviews and what type of problems people are having....if any. Who knows.

I would buy one for the wife.
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Canadian made or not. Supporting a Canadian manufacturer of firearms re-affirms shooting as a sport in Canada. We are putting money back into our sport. The more that other business see Canadians spending money on Canadian made goods, the more they will begin to approach that avenue of manufacturing. The more businesses, tax payers and subsequently voters we have on our side, the better.

If we can support businesses who build things for us, and don't back down to ridiculous laws and pressure from government and antis, why wouldn't we?


mullet maniac said:
Incredibly helpful.

It's great that rookies/noobs/whatever have such an admirable resource such as these forums available to them, so they can learn from the experiences and valued opinions of the more... seasoned... shooters. :rolleyes:
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armedsask WAS being helpful. Just being blunt about it.

Norcs have had their problems and quality issues, leaving some CGN users with a bad taste in their mouths. Why not spend more money for what will be better quality?

Personally, I tested my friends stock norc, and it rattled, sprrannnggged, sprunnnggged, runnnggged, clicked, had a gritty long hard trigger, was inaccurate even with cooked up hand loads and optics, had trouble feeding and ejecting with a variety of mags.


Both could have potential problems, but which manufacturer are you more likely to hear from, and have the problem remedied by? just my 0.02, but customer service in this game goes a long way. No offense to those who bring in norcs and stand by them.
 
Guys, the guns not even on the market yet, how do you get off saying its no good, or I'd rather by a nork??
The AR platform is 1950,s technology,its very easy to make.
But what makes a good AR is the fit and finish,as well as quality of raw materials.
The nork is good value for the money.
But as it stands the proposed NEA made AR looks to be great value for the money.

Everyone buys what the can afford
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the_klenzer said:
Wow, didn't expect the thread to go this way at all. Sorry for kicking off a firestorm.

So besides assumed better quality/finish and buying Canadian, the only real arguement I've seen is:
-the NEA AR comes with a free float quad rail, which if I bought for the Norc, would make it around $800ish, so only $200 more to get the better built NEA at that point.

Anything else like that I should know about?

Thanks
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For everyone who doesn't have the details on the gun, it't fair to describe the "quality" factor as "assumed". For the sake of argument, let's imagine it is true.

What other reason is there? Other than "it's better quality" I'm not sure what advantage you could be looking for in one over another.

That's the main distinction between cheap ARs and expensive ARs. The expensive ones are, on average, better quality.

So if that's something you care about, then the NEA is the cheapest route to a quality AR.

If you're one of those people (and there are lots of them on CGN) for whom the list of accessories is important, and the fact that they're built by CAA or FAB or whatever is fine, then no, go ahead and get the Norinco.

If you're someone who is after quality, then don't get the Norinco. Major components like the barrel may well be done properly; small parts quality and spring quality is typically terrible.

Or, I guess, you're after a short-barreled AR, in which case you're again looking at the NEA just for the barrel, as getting short barrels out of the US has gotten problematic.
 
na1lb0hm said:
armedsask WAS being helpful. Just being blunt about it.
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I'm a big fan of not sugar coating things or beating around the bush. You want me to hold your hand and baby you or do you want me to tell you how it is?

That's why I stay out of the discussions about putting scopes on SKS's. It's a god damn SKS! Use it to pound fence posts, not "sniping". :rolleyes:
 
there's a big difference between holding hands & babying people, and just giving a straight answer to a simple question, without calling them out as incompetent or 'cheap'.
 
I'm just glad to see legal, law abiding gun owners buying and shooting guns and not caving into the anti's.

OP, whatever you buy, have fun with it, shoot it a ton, customize it the way you like it and post a range report.
 
Gun owners surely are a strange bunch.

I bet not one of the guys going on about how everything else is overpriced compared to the Norc drives a Yugo or some other kind of crap cheap car. Why not, you rush to buy the cheapest gun possible, why not the cheapest car possible? Or even the cheapest house possible? Do you have an old B&W TV with rabbit ears or a nice big flatscreen?

Why do people buy Mercedes or Porsche when they could drive a Lada? Grocery shopping or taking the kids to school, what are you getting for all that extra money spent on the Mercedes?

If we look back through this forum there are many calls for Canadian manufacturer's to produce an affordable black rifle. This has been the Holy Grail of CDN Gun Nutz. Now that a company is doing just that all we hear is how it is too expensive compared to a Norc. :HR:

We know from the past that the Chinese put lead in children's toys and rat poison in dog food all to save money on production. Does anyone really want to argue that they are only using the best metal stock and components in their export guns?

We never seem to hear the end of that stupid ARFcom table. Does anyone think the Chinese are mag-particle testing or any of that other ND testing deemed so important on N American guns on any of the parts in their export guns?

This entire thread is ridiculous to its core. Someone already said it here. If you can't work out why an NEA rifle costs a few hundred bucks more than a commy built rifle then you are clearly too cheap to distinguish the benefits of a better built and better quality rifle.
 
Teapot said:
A light? For what?
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Night shoots of all kinds. IPSC, CDP, IDPA, and self planned night shoots. Personal defense. Someone home invades your house and it is dark. Military personal and police personal need weapon mounted flashlights all the time and a lot of people on here are one of the two. And thats just a few reasons.
 
Suputin said:
Gun owners surely are a strange bunch.

I bet not one of the guys going on about how everything else is overpriced compared to the Norc drives a Yugo or some other kind of crap cheap car. Why not, you rush to buy the cheapest gun possible, why not the cheapest car possible? Or even the cheapest house possible? Do you have an old B&W TV with rabbit ears or a nice big flatscreen?

Why do people buy Mercedes or Porsche when they could drive a Lada? Grocery shopping or taking the kids to school, what are you getting for all that extra money spent on the Mercedes?

If we look back through this forum there are many calls for Canadian manufacturer's to produce an affordable black rifle. This has been the Holy Grail of CDN Gun Nutz. Now that a company is doing just that all we hear is how it is too expensive compared to a Norc. :HR:

We know from the past that the Chinese put lead in children's toys and rat poison in dog food all to save money on production. Does anyone really want to argue that they are only using the best metal stock and components in their export guns?

We never seem to hear the end of that stupid ARFcom table. Does anyone think the Chinese are mag-particle testing or any of that other ND testing deemed so important on N American guns on any of the parts in their export guns?

This entire thread is ridiculous to its core. Someone already said it here. If you can't work out why an NEA rifle costs a few hundred bucks more than a commy built rifle then you are clearly too cheap to distinguish the benefits of a better built and better quality rifle.
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Ain't this the truth,

I got the same thing when I decided to open a new indoor range. For months all I heard about around these parts was, "theres no where to shoot" "I don't own restricteds cuz theres no where to shoot" "the outdoor range is to busy, theres no place to shoot" "we need more ranges to help grow our cause" and on and on and on...

So I said, well lets give the people what they want, same thing NEA said. Guess what, for every 3 emails or PM's I got, there was one with some guy saying, "theres not enough people around to support it" or "your proposed pricing is too expensive, you'll drown" or "I would just rather stay home then drive 20 minutes to your range" or my favorite "you better not run your range like a fudd"

..I mean my god people there are Canadians right in your backyard taking big risks on new businesses, and new products and the fact that we hear almost just as much negative as positive makes me sick to my stomach.

You wanna grow the gun culture in this country so we can stop worrying about the gun grabbers? Well, writing your MP's is one way but the best way is to support your local CANADIAN manufacturers and retailers to help GROW the industry!

Once NEA's new AR is released and if you still go out and buy a Chinese gun, you should be ashamed and I personally would consider you the enemy. :canadaFlag:

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