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Thank you Mirk! Finally now I know about USP! Darn shame!
Maybe a MOD could explain why the last thread was Nuked? I understand that NEA was taking a #### kicking in it but sometimes you just got to let guys vent a little. I did have the chance to read some of the stuff that NEA wrote about Satain and it wasn't very polite. So my question to the MODs is also, did NEA leave on they're own terms or were the banned?
 
eg23 said:
Thank you Mirk! Finally now I know about USP! Darn shame!
Maybe a MOD could explain why the last thread was Nuked? I understand that NEA was taking a s**t kicking in it but sometimes you just got to let guys vent a little. I did have the chance to read some of the stuff that NEA wrote about Satain and it wasn't very polite. So my question to the MODs is also, did NEA leave on they're own terms or were the banned?
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I spoke with Jeff of NEA the other day...they left.

He was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that Satain owned BC Tactical. His story is that they were forwarded emails by stores from Satain doing business on behalf of BC Tactical, in which he referred to BC Tactical as "his company". NEA concluded that he was the owner, and forwarded the info to CGN Admin, who inexplicably coppa'd Satain while they figured the whole thing out.

I don't think that publicly involving themselves in the investigation of Satain and BC Tactical was a very good idea.

At any rate my impression was that they felt they had ended up in a no-win situation here on CGN, which I believe they feel to be largely the result of their own mistakes, partly technical flaws (especially on the early guns) but probably more so in terms of their posting style.

Personally, I thought they were trying, and failing, at a fairly noble experiment: they put a blunt, straight-talking infantryman in charge of communications, and left a direct line to the guy open at all times on a big forum. They could probably have found someone much slicker than the guy they chose and we'd probably think they were a better company, although I don't know that that would actually be true. They just would have been better at managing their appearance.

It's kind of strange that we'd most likely have a higher opinion of them if their PR was handled by a guy who was less of a doorkicker and more of a salesman. In theory, I think people prefer the idea of a blunt, gruff, honest soldier doing the talking. In practise, I think a guy who is just a mouthpiece turns out to work better.

Anyway after talking with Jeff a bit I came away feeling like they thought they'd dug themselves a hole, and that instead of shoveling, they were better off just working on building better guns.

I'm pretty hopeful that they will ultimately turn out reliable, high-performance rifles. I think they have a bunch of good puzzle pieces there...really hoping they can manage to make a good picture with them.
 
I agree 100% with misanthropist, you basically took the words straight out of my mouth… The reality is Dave is not a PR type of person. He had an emotional investment in this whole thing and it really affected the way he handled many a situation.

I have followed NEA since they didn’t exist and were merely a whisper, a rumour, among the forums. I was once very excited, and now I am rather disappointed. I felt like great things were to come and found many an excuse along the way. I told many a person about the great things to come, and now I have told them all I was misinformed, at least for now.

NEA’s product is currently not up to the high expectations and standards of the North American market. They are currently a tier 3 manufacturer, plain and simple.

I do feel that NEA made the right decision leaving, and that some of the people that pushed them to make that decision did it for NEAs own good… To teach a bird to fly you have to push it out of the nest.

Now don’t get me wrong, I would very much like to see NEA succeed at this. I would very much like to see them bring their product up to snuff… I sincerely believe that they will do that. Although, having your PR guy quarrel about it on the internet is not the way to accomplish that.

Now with all that being said, I believe this subject can die now… we do nothing but harm by repeating the things that had happened here. NEA has graciously bowed out and (hopefully) returned to working on their product, we need to do the same and allow for the users and owners to let us know how they are progressing.
 
At the end of the day, it will allow NEA to focus on what they should, making grest rifles. We will still know about upcoming products from their dealer network that are here
They also post on facebook and they have a website
 
NEA’s product is currently not up to the high expectations and standards of the North American market. They are currently a tier 3 manufacturer, plain and simple.

If there's room for a 4th tier manufacturer, NEA has my vote.

I do feel that NEA made the right decision leaving, and that some of the people that pushed them to make that decision did it for NEAs own good… To teach a bird to fly you have to push it out of the nest.

Who pushed them to leave? Aster the Satain fiasco, how could NEA possibly have any credibility? They used up all the good-will capital they were given. To stay here would have been a complete embarassment.

Now with all that being said, I believe this subject can die now… we do nothing but harm by repeating the things that had happened here. NEA has graciously bowed out and (hopefully) returned to working on their product, we need to do the same and allow for the users and owners to let us know how they are progressing.

Graciously bowed out? Are you for real? Humiliated and shamed is more like it.
 
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Who pushed them to leave? Aster the Satain fiasco, how could NEA possibly have any credibility? They used up all the good-will capital they were given. To stay here would have been a complete embarassment.
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Satain fiasco? Really? I just don't get how no one puts the blame with how Satain was treated, and USP for that matter, at the feet of Greentips? If NEA asks Greentips to look into Satain's connections with BC Tactical what Greentips does or doesn't do isn't under anyone's control other than Greentips. It's not like NEA said to Greentips, "get rid of this guy or we're leaving" cause guess what, they left anyways.

And with USP, he outed NEA for shilling, but it was the blow-up between USP and Greentips that led to his banning not NEA calling for USP's head!

NEA can't ban anyone, only Greentips can - if he does it without doing a proper investigation or because he puts $'s ahead of principle how can NEA control that?

Being pissed about how Satain and USP have been dumped is understandable but continuing to blame NEA for something they didn't and couldn't have done just illustrates how much some people love to hate NEA.
 
Runningfool said:
Satain fiasco? Really? I just don't get how no one puts the blame with how Satain was treated, and USP for that matter, at the feet of Greentips? If NEA asks Greentips to look into Satain's connections with BC Tactical what Greentips does or doesn't do isn't under anyone's control other than Greentips. It's not like NEA said to Greentips, "get rid of this guy or we're leaving" cause guess what, they left anyways.

And with USP, he outed NEA for shilling, but it was the blow-up between USP and Greentips that led to his banning not NEA calling for USP's head!

NEA can't ban anyone, only Greentips can - if he does it without doing a proper investigation or because he puts $'s ahead of principle how can NEA control that?

Being pissed about how Satain and USP have been dumped is understandable but continuing to blame NEA for something they didn't and couldn't have done just illustrates how much some people love to hate NEA.
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You're mistaken. I have no "hate" for NEA. Frankly, I could care less about them. I have no emotional or financial investment into anything they offer for sale. Can you say the same? Of course not.

It's pretty clear NEA put all of their poker chips on the table (pun intended) on trying to out Satain and it failed miserably for them. Can you not see why the embarassment over this would make anyone with the slightest amount of pride, head for the hills?
 
2bad4u2 said:
You're mistaken. I have no "hate" for NEA. Frankly, I could care less about them. I have no emotional or financial investment into anything they offer for sale. Can you say the same? Of course not.

It's pretty clear NEA put all of their poker chips on the table (pun intended) on trying to out Satain and it failed miserably for them. Can you not see why the embarassment over this would make anyone with the slightest amount of pride, head for the hills?
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For a guy who doesn't care you sure seem to have a lot to say ;)

If the evidence wasn't there on Satain why isn't he allowed back? I don't think Satain was guilty of anything but what do I know other than the fact that it appears Greentips thinks he was. Honestly if the embarrassment of the whole shilling thing didn't make NEA go away, you think asking GT to look into Satain's business connections made them head for the hills? I have to think what Misanthropist suggests is the real reason they left.
 
I finda feel bad for NEA in a way, but you also can't have any "emotional ties" to anything you do and/or post on the Internet. I think someone else said it here, a Mod I think, "You have to have your big boy pants on." I think NEA is a great company, a bit green around the gills, but trying hard to get to an A+++ product: but they don't have unlimited funds, so at some point you have to put the product out the door and take a few licks for it. Mine comes "broken" so be it, as long as they keep up the awesome warranty I hear about: watch out Jeff, I plan to own mine 40+ more years.

ON the Internet, and on boards like CGN especially, if you have anything to be "sensative" about just expect to be bullied:

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(Courtesy of Penny Arcade)

...and for those that might have a problem with this truth: denial doesn't make it go away.
 
I think NEA has moved on because they were tired of the whiny ****'* here.

They are following HK's example of not bothering with civvie sales and are probably now off focusing on global military contracts, where people use their firearms for killing, and don't care about how some tooling marks on the lower will impact their paper punching.

As far as "shilling", what else are you going to do when the DB's on here gang up when you won't give them the answer they want to hear.

CGN=FAIL

NEA will be around allot longer than this ####epit, you can count on that.
 
CrookedZebra said:
Says the guy who joined last year. Your opinion (while wrong) is colored by your lack of exposure to this seething pool of ignorance and Internet posturing.

Give it some time. You will get tired of the BS too...
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lol ya your 9 months more on CGN and several hundred posts fewer than mine has given you a much greater insight than i could ever possibly understand. let me guess long time lurker with nothing to say..... and I am already tired of the BS I joined this sight for information and sources not drama and Pissing matches. believe me pal i have a bigger stake in this NEA debacle than you do.
 
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