neccesary bullet energy to bag deer

The one gun/calibre fits all rule gets tried here by firearms licensing every now and again, every time someone spouts off to the shooting press about why his .308 is the be all and end all for stalking and no one else needs any other cartridge I just fume, I select a tool from a large tool box for all the different situations that I encounter as a guide. If the pratt that subscribes to this theory puts his address up you can guarantee its a London one, someone who buys his stalking and can afford to pass up on deer or certain seasons because they dont suit him then fine, the rest of us mechanics will get a different spanner out of the toolbox and tighten that nut!
the licensing boys got wind of us using .243 on foxes (small over here) and declared that we shpouldnt be having them for that, Our organisation said fine and got us all extra centrefire .22 to cover the small game gap that miraculously appeared.
 
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Driving around Parkland and Strathcona counties it's apparent that 4000 lb/ft of energy isn't sufficient for a mature moose - sure makes a hell of a mess of the vehicle though. Must have been the "placement"!

Back to being serious...you don't need to be using the largest "hammer" in the toolbox to drop your game for good. I've yet to use anything above 180 grains out of my 30-06, usually 150 grain ballistic tips for all deer and the 180's for when I get a moose draw. I'm seeing more 25-06 shooters on the open grasslands and they are producing 1 shot kills at respectable distances.

As with anything else, all the reference materials mean nothing if YOU don't do your job - get out there and practice, practice BEFORE the season. When you can properly judge the distance and wait for the right opportunity a well placed shot regardless of caliber is going to do the job.
 
cdngunner said:
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You f**king turd
Go pound one out would you!!!!:jerkit::jerkit:

He asked for what it said in the Hunters guide, thats what it says.

Why dont you put your brain in gear before you touch the keyboard!
Frikin NOOBS!
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Eagleye said:
Very nice, tactful reply........NOT! :(
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cdngunner said:
Hey there "johnny-come -lately"

Whats all this "guys like you" crap? Been on the bottle again?

I'd like to tell you where you can stick your "Ithink its this way so everyones wrong" attitude, but I'd probably get in trouble.

Just for you and any other IQ challenged people who think that I publish tables, I am including the table. If you have any concerns over the numbers please take your "I'm God, so I must be right" Ideas and contact the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources , NRA, Alberta Department of Energy and Natural Resources and the Ontario Federation of Angler & Hunters who were responsible for publishing the info

DONT KILL THE MESSENGER!

page 174 from the Hunters Guide Copyright 1982

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On topic, I understood the fact that you only posted the table as a reference that was asked of you, and that is very accommodating. I am sure the new fellow is grateful.
Your above reactions are a little disturbing, by this miter you are suggesting that your 3000+ posts makes you more intelligent, or discerning, or am I missing something? I would suggest that an amount of posts such as yours without moderators status may preclude someone to believe that you are spending an unhealthy amount of time at a keyboard posting on a subject(I.E., armchair critic, quarterback, bla,bla). I would hope that you wouldn't suggest to myself and others I know on this board with under 500 posts, that time on this board gives a person experience you can't gain by lets say, realistically accomplishing some of these things we discuss on this board. Take this as a friendly simmer down and be realistic; it would be appreciated.
 
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Deer and the like.................900.................1200..............1500ft/lbs
Elk Bear up to 600..............1500.................2000..............2500ft/lbs
Large bear Moose...............2100.................2800..............3500ft/lbs
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Moose are no harder to kill then elk maybe even easyer.
 
rem338win said:
Take this as a friendly simmer down and be realistic; it would be appreciated.
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And I do.
But from the start people have been putting forth words of wisdom

todbartell
3500 ftlbs preferred for moose? hahahaha
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PGKris
So I guess by your flawed logic......my 303 moose destroyer isn't enough gun
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even after I said
He asked for what it said in the Hunters guide, thats what it says.
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I still got people jumping on my back

maybe you could put up another table describing how poorly you are at posting tables
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but with guys like you thinking 2800 ft/lbs is "adequate" for moose, you really bring this whole concept to the point of silliness
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etc etc etc

I felt attacked and bit back, no apologies

I would hope that you wouldn't suggest to myself and others I know on this board with under 500 posts, that time on this board gives a person experience you can't gain by lets say, realistically accomplishing some of these things we discuss on this board.
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I'd be the first to admit that there are a vast number of people on here with more knowledge and experience than me.

Back to topic at hand
 
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Here Ya go, another Intellectual post

much like this one
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KNOB. So what if the guy doesn't want to shoot a wolf. I would only ever take one myself. Who gave you the right to piss on him? He's not a completely unethical HICK so he's obviously a liberal? Go back to your cave and beat your wife, loser
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why dont you come back when you hit puberty!
 
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Wow. I didn't realize that they let kids post on a message boards in kindergarten already.
Grow up a little, and keep this thread on track.


I've seen elk killed with 22-250's by natives in BC and I have seen 375's used on whitetails. Energy tables are a joke.
.243's are a great for deer size game, if the right bullet is used by competent person and it is put in the right place it'll kill deer out to 400yds quite handily. I recommend the 85gr TSX or a 90gr Swift Scirroco. And use 85gr Sierra's for practice. Forget the tables, and shoot something.
 
rem338win said:
Wow. I didn't realize that they let kids post on a message boards in kindergarten already.
Grow up a little, and keep this thread on track.


I've seen elk killed with 22-250's by natives in BC and I have seen 375's used on whitetails. Energy tables are a joke.
.243's are a great for deer size game, if the right bullet is used by competent person and it is put in the right place it'll kill deer out to 400yds quite handily. I recommend the 85gr TSX or a 90gr Swift Scirroco. And use 85gr Sierra's for practice. Forget the tables, and shoot something.
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This is an excellent article.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/energy_transfer.htm

It talks of all the trade offs between smaller and bigger bullets and low and hi velocity. My trapper friend has recovered many a bullet from a bears shoulder because someone missed the vitals. A larger more powerful caliber would have shattered the shoulder and would have made harvesting the bear possible. You have to plan for the "less-then-perfect" shots. The so called hunters that I have seen at the range are quite happy hitting a pie plate at fifty yards. 3 shots a year to sight in and their gone!
 
GROW UP both of you Kris get a grip, your ego is writing checks your azz cant cash, CDN SHUT UP the fellow just wanted to hunt freeking deer and he dosnt need a bazooka with heat seeking ammo FFS, 6.5x55 is plenty of firearm to kill everything in BC DEAD, no one needs to be yacking off to a new shooter about 400 yard shots or using 22-250s on elk.
 
Egads guys...settle down

Well...............................

I think we can all agree we`ve milked this about as much as we can.

I was thinking the 6.5x55 swede might be lacking due to barrel length
(18 3/4"..I measured) But I`m willing to sacrifice a box of ammo or two to see what happens.
The Sks....well, its an Sks, nothing more needs to be said about that. If I was bush hunting I`d use it. But not beyond 100 yrds with iron sights. With my eyes and wobbly hands it would be an injustice to the deer.
I already own a few .22s for varmint as well as my new .204 ruger with an elite 3200 3x9 (godsmack gophers at 150 - 200 yrds regularly).

Thanks to cdngunner for the chart which I WILL use as reference. And to all the other replies as well.
 
all this swede talk has made me want to knock the dust off of mine. PGKris, thanks for wasting bandwidth with your stupidity, i now have a headache. Rick, you say your hoping to find an area with lots of coyotes, you should be ok in Edmonton :)
 
Hey Rick - ever shot your SKS @ 100yds with iron sights?????? How did it go? Pie plate?......Garbage can???.....

Although I shot my first deer with one - that gun will never go to the bush with me again...at least not for hunting deer....

Go get a box of ammo for your 6.5 - try it - it might be your new gopher gun!!!!!!!
 
Hey Rick - ever shot your SKS @ 100yds with iron sights?????? How did it go? Pie plate?......Garbage can???.....
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Yeah Super. I used to years ago. Every sunday there was a target shoot at a range north of Edmonton where you used miltary rifles with original sights,...plus you had to dress up in the uniform of the army that used that gun. You know..AR15 dress as a marine, soviet uniform for any russian gun etc etc...needless to say myself dressed as a NVA regular brought the competition to its knees with tears of laughter. (6 ft tall 225 lb "Charlie" was not pretty :D)
We had to shoot at 100 and 200 yrds standing, sitting, prone. I could hit the man size target at 200 but just. At 100 I was better.

Although I shot my first deer with one - that gun will never go to the bush with me again...at least not for hunting deer....
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How come? 5 rnd semi with a cartridge similar to a 30-30...its a great bush gun.
 
Rick65Cat said:
How come? 5 rnd semi with a cartridge similar to a 30-30...its a great bush gun.
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Hey "Charlie" (lol) - me too 6'2" 210

I have a 30-30 that really shoots well with my reloads so that's what I bring now (with a back-up 308 semi Remington 742 Jam-o-matic that functions perfectly if it's kept clean). I ended up putting a scope on my Marlin 30-30 and use the 742 for wet or otherwise harsh conditions. I'm sure there will be other favourites that come along with me into the bush.....
 
I cannot fathom all the BS this thread has generated.......the Fella asked a pretty simple question....more or less does a 243 with 100 grain bullets have enough energy to take a deer ?

Everyone knows it does.........;)

Does a 6.5 or 270 give abit more "insurance" maybe so, but I can tell you from experience a 458 Magnum in the A$$ won't Kill a Deer either........:redface:
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. I do have other rifles that I suppose I could use,...The 6.5X55 swedish, a 7.62x39 Sks (shot my buck in Ont with that)
Guess I just got the itch to buy anthoer gun.
A Stevens 200 in .243 for $329.95 brand new might just be what the doctor ordered.
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Have a Stevens 200 in .243(Notice the avatar) best $400 i've spent(with tax) Simply put, it is enough gun for deer, I'm using 95grn bullets and you can go up to 117grn if you want heavier! Good luck!!
 
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