Wow, thank you, I did completely miss Ron R's post and I will make a lengthy reply shortly!
I also thank you for your comments. It looks like there are considerable readers who follow, but just don't comment. So I thank you all.
Bruce
Neck sizing only
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Wow, thank you, I did completely miss Ron R's post and I will make a lengthy reply shortly!
I also thank you for your comments. It looks like there are considerable readers who follow, but just don't comment. So I thank you all.
Bruce
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- Jameson, SK
I'm taking it all in too.....!!! It's all appreciated!!
Being American H4831 I also appreciate all your posts but I also have a question.
Does the BC below your avatar mean you have been reloading "Before Columbus".............................54-40 or fight.
That's got me thinking...I am now wondering how full length resized brass I was using a year ago would compare against neck sizing. I certainly would not have learned as much using a full length die.
I don't know what's compelling me to go here but H4831, I know you are being facetious with the comment of no one listening but truth be told I follow your posts very seriously, likely along with many others here, especially regarding 7mm-08 including powders and primers in my case. the other guy with similar name to mine with a different suffix not so much. I think he's BigEd's favorite.
There are many of you patient enough to answer questions and share their experiences without a negative connotation. Eagleye, Ganderite, Hitzy, Dogleg etc and list goes on and on. Perhaps I've misinterpreted, but from your posts I have taken that new reloaders have just got to figure things out sometimes for themselves, for queries that clearly depict a lesser comprehension of reloading, and are simple to answer for the really experienced. To me you seem frustrated at times with some of your responses in these situations...like now. I wouldn't take posts that may appear opposed to your philosophy on reloading negatively. It's based on the experience, or lack of, of the poster.
From a previous post in the hunting section regarding wolves, if I am correct, you have a book. I'll find a copy eventually to read it because I am further interested about your experiences.
To follow you some more, I've got some brass that's once fired to fl size from a year ago to test against the current methods used here for reloading to compare. That will be from the experience from this end. If the neck sizing results are better does that indicate no one's listening?Of course not.
H4831
Ronr
Cheers to you too, Ron and thanks for your comments.
I will comment on this statement from you, "Perhaps I've misinterpreted, but from your posts I have taken that new reloaders have just got to figure things out sometimes for themselves,---"
I will partially agree with that, but many, many times I have fully answered, to the best of my ability, questions from people starting out reloading. Some advise I often give to them is to get one good manual, such as Lyman, study it thoroughly, but don't get more manuals, because if you try to study three or four modern, tome sized manuals, you will get completely confused.
This state of confusion appears so many times on here, usually involving bullet seating and by people who have been reloading for a while. How many times has some version of this appeared on here? "I have a 308 and bought a box of Hornady 165 grain SXP, or some such thing, and I can't find the COAL for it among any of my manuals. Has someone got a Hornady manual that they can look it up for me?"
I couldn't count how many times myself, as well as the others on here who answer such questions, have written a polite reply to that one, that no publisher of a manual knows the length of the chamber, in their rifle, telling them to seat the bullet so it will go into the magazine and the bolt will close on it, also stating that if they have a very long clearance in the chamber they should always leave more than half a bullet diameter of bullet in the case. I have also told how, with no other equipment than a cleaning rod and a measuring tool, they can, in their own reloading room, safely determine the COAL of any bullet they are using, for their own rifle.
But when someone who finds their answer in a manual is recognized, rather than those of us who have carefully stated how to do it themselves, it becomes hard not to be a bit short, sometimes. Enough of that.
You also asked about wolves. Yes, I have had experience with wolves, because I played a part in the largest wolf culling campaign in north America, the poisoning program that started in BC in about 1952 and went on for about ten years. There is a chapter in my book devoted to wolves, but almost no other written records of the poisoning program can be found. When Val Geist, the one time professor of game biology in the Calgary University saw my book, he contacted me and we had considerable communication over it, because he said I was the only one he had ever come across who, who had been involved in it.
Ron, the book is still in print and the best place to get it is from the publisher. Here is their link to it: http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/outbus_r2.htm
Now, a question for you. In severe cold weather, does the smoke and steam still pour from the top of the Bessborough Hotel?
Bruce
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bigedp51, for precision work, no one sizes more then a few thou as we know high neck tension can lead to high runout in the seating process. We are looking at 1 to 2 thou neck tension (after springback -and yes, many will outside neck turn and anneal)... no one would/should be willing to size 5 thou using a bushing die so there is no problem.
Wrong tool for the job if you want high neck tension ammo.
If neck sizing dies are so bad, why is the Lee collet neck die so good? I am sure you know that dies does not support the case in anyways shape or form
We are going round and round (as expected)... ultimately, the goal is the same, make good, accurate and reliable ammo. But there is alot of misunderstanding about the tools and how to use them. If a shooter gets a positive result with part 1 in rifle B, that does not make it fact for all parts and all rifles. When you break down the goals and objectives, the right tool comes to the fore... then you have to find the one that works as expected.
There will always be fans of various doctrines... but those that move the tech will take the good from all doctrines and come up with a process that supercedes them all for the given tasks.
I do like that you refer various shooters that should know what they are doing BUT there are many more that compete at the highest levels of LR precision that will differ in opinion so.....
I wonder what the Team Berger, Sinclair, US Open and FTR teams do? Maybe they are different, maybe the same, maybe some combination of it all..... Funny what you learn when you get to shoot with some of these guys and gals.
Most of what is current F class tech started from SR BR so not only are we listening, we have borrowed, modified, improved and changed to meet our set of circumstances.
There is one constant in the realm of LR precision... things will continue to evolve as "better" methods are figured out.
'nuff said.
Jerry
I think it is so good , I even spent ~$150 for one in 6 Dasher, because the die only squeezes the case neck against the mandrel, different sized mandrels are available or you can reduce the size of the one you have. All the imperfections and varying thickness are left on the out side of the neck, the inside is mirror image to the mandrel (round)less spring back. This is good for consistent bullet release, also leave the carbon in the neck, I don't tumble or use an ultra-sonic cleaner anymore. That , and finding the OCW has really brought down my ES.
Hey Bruce,
I catch your drift...it gets tiresome trying help those that lack ambition or desire, opting for a less work approach from the backs of others. You can quickly pick that out in this forum...myself not so much. Although recently I have found one poster that's in my craw that just can't be rationalized with and I don't mean the neck vs fl length thing that BigEd and Jerry have dialogued about and have mutually "respectfully agreed to disagree" as I see it, each with their educated positions.
...now as I am writing, have realized how long you have been providing posts. I too have seen commonly posted topics that if one would search here would find out quite a bit. I know its worked for me...the times I have queried because the answers found don't exactly relate to the concern I have. To be honest, I am reluctant to query unless I can't find the answers/wisdom I need and fret about providing all necessary information to not appear as an idiot or lazy.
Don't all laugh at once now 
Every pup needs a good correction once and a while for a dose of reality I think and I'll include myself as a pup.Thanks for the link, I'll follow up soon enough.
The "Bez"...yup. Being so flat around these parts the plumes of steam from her garner your attention during winter. Once of the best parts of Saskatoon for myself is riverbank area in cold winter...and to repeat don't all laugh at once now
. It is Saskatoon after all. Sounds like you've been here.Just to reiterate, there are lots of guys like yourself willing to share, of which a good many of us are thankful for...not that I represent or can speak for any. Don't ever shut'er down gentlemen. I would have given up a year ago without the support.
OP, I don't know if this is what you bargained for on the original post. Apologies for any steering into the ditch
I stepped in cause the methods used here were successful and sh$%^&t looked how it turned out.Now back to regular programming.
Regards
Ronr
Ron
I bump the shoulder back 0.001-0.002" (using the Redding body die) and THEN neck size (Lee neck sizing collet die), after every firing. This way you're not over working the brass. On my 300WM belted brass, I'm on my 6-7th firing with no signs of the bulge. On my 308Win brass I have 11 firings and still going strong. Also invest in a good head space gauge and a quality digital caliper. I use the Hornday head space gauge and a Mitutoyo 6" caliper. Good luck!
