need a longer range rifle!!

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ok, im not new to shooting.. nor to scopes, but i havent shot further then a .223. im lookin for a nice rifle. no set price, i'd pay extra for better as long as i could eventually make use of it. i like the idea of a 338 or something, but there not cheap to shoot and i don't know if i'd really make use of the size versus a .308.. to me bigger is better a .416 puts a smile on my face (don't even know if they'd be good for long range anyway) what would be perfect is a huge ass case necked down to something smaller, to work well with a 200 grain bullet or something but is still cheap to put together. id be fine with single action even. recoil is no problem i shoot 12 guage and .45 70 all the time no problems whatsoever.

what sorta rifle/caliber/scope combo would you all suggest for me? i dont know what i'd all do with it.. coyotes, deer, plinking, learning. but my .45 70 just don't fly that far.. i dont need a huge bullet i guess, if i am going moose or bear hunting i'll take my 45 out in the bush anyways..
 
For long range target shooting, get something in a 6.5mm caliber. Say, 260 Rem, 6.5mm-284, 6.5X55 Swedish Mauser, etc. These calibers seems to be the favourites of the long range shooters. The bullet BC's are high and can be pushed to reasonably high velocities. This gives you a flat trajectory and wind drift is minimized.

Any good action will do. Savage, Remington, Winchester, Tikka and Sako all make excellent starter rifles. The scope is very important and you should not skimp on the price. A good scope will set you back about $1000.00 A variable scope is good, say 6.5-24X50. Leupolds, Nightforce and some of the high-end Bushnells fall into this category.

The 338 or 300Win Magnum are very good too. The drawback is the recoil and expense of the components. Unless you want to kill a moose at 1000m, it's kinda overkill for target work.

Before getting into the LR game though, join your Provincial Rifle Association and start practicing with what you have. You can get into this game with almost any high power rifle and shoot F-class (factory). It's not so much the equipment that gets you into the winner's circle, but the ability to shoot (this includes wind reading) and that can only be obtained through a lot of practice :)

Anyway, just my $0.02 I'm sure a few LR shooters will add more to this thread :p
 
A whole day of shooting a .416 will wipe the smile off your face.:D
Like RifleDude says, get in touch with your PRA and find out what everyone is shooting. Also find out the restrictions if any, to the range you want to shoot at. They may not allow you to shoot some caliber.
 
but how far can a 6.5 mm round actually go without aiming at the sky, i would hoenstly like to kill a moose or at least a white tail from 1000 yrds.. what does a 6.5mm round do compared to a decent .308? whats cheaper? i wont necessarily be looking to compete in competitions or anything, i work too much and weird schedules it'd just be nice to have something out on the ranch or for those few hunts a year. if im right they allow most things besides the .50 at our outdoor range., everytime i've went i've been the only one there too.

im also worried that the ballistics will be too close to my .223 that it won't be worth it, i want someting bigger.
 
well my .223 is in an ar 15 with open sights, but it still doesn't have the take down punch needed, being restricted put aside.. i'll check out that savage, a tikka tactical had also struck my fancy i thought, probably cost half what a .50 would tho by the end of things.. whats the diff. between a 300 win mag and a 338 win mag and a 338 /378 wby?
 
If expense is any consideration you will want to stay away from Weatherby as a box of twenty could run you up to $100 or more depending on calibre, bullet...

I would suggest a Sako, Tikka or Remington 700 or Sendero in .300 Win Mag. All of these rifles shoot well out of the box and with a .300 Win Mag you can take down anything in North America with little problem. For your long range needs this calibre fits the bill both for target(190gr Bergers) and for hunting(200gr Nosler Accubonds).

This suggestion doesn't in any way mean that other calibres can't do the job just that this one is popular, proven and very versitile.
 
Why???
Hunt responsibly.
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I agree. Why take the risk?? Whne hunting you aren't shooting at paper anymore. With paper at least if you miss or are off by a bit it doesn't matter. This is another living creature that you are shooting at. At least have the decency to kill it with one shot. Just because those super long range hunting shots are possible, doesn't make them morally acceptable :mad:
 
Lets just say for the sake of argument the kill zone on a moose is about the size of a regular sized stop sign. Set your trip meter on your car and drive .9 km from the stop sign (that's close to 1000 yards). Stop the car and look and see how big that is. What are your chances of hitting something that size everytime from that distance regardless of the wind conditions? This is just a size and distance reference, please don't shoot road signs.
1000 yard shooting isn't as easy as it looks in the movies.
 
And if you don't practice on a regular basis, and then your set up perfecty;
your are not very likely going to hit anything like a stop sign.
 
Shooting an animal from long range doesn't make you cool(unless it's a taliban).
What makes you cool is a quick,clean kill within your skill level.1,000 yards is not in very many peoples skill levels.
 
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Oh no, not the long range police again! :rolleyes:. It's feasible and it's ethical. The guy will go out to a 1k yd line and find out for himself it's not that easy, and then he'll scale back the distance. If a shot is made within the skill limit of a shooter, i have no problem with that. Off course, it takes loads of practice, and i, for one, would not take a shot at a distance i havent practiced at, wich for now, limits me at 200yds. It's all about practice, responsibility and ethics.

www.longrangehunting.com if you wanna find out more. You'll find that these guys are plenty able and equiped to hit small rocks 700yards out, but wouldnt dare take a shot at an animal at 500 if they tought the wind wasnt right.

I could also say: i dont see why someone should own firearms, bla bla bla bla bla. Your opinion is not law, so stfu. opinions are like #######s, everyone has one.
 
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TheCanuck said:
Your opinion is not law, so stfu. opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
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Ok first of all,jackass,telling me to STFU and blathering on like an idiot when we could be disscussing this like men is a good way to get a timeout.:eek:

If you had taken a minute to read my post without flying off the handle you would have seen I said "within your skill level".I said nothing about not doing it.I think when the dude is asking questions about what calibers are go to go that far and all he's shot is an AR then think it's fairly obvious it's not within his skill level.I myself might take such a shot if conditions were perfect and I had enough gun.
So be a man.Appologize for your bad behavior and carry on with this conversation.
 
marlin1895gs said:
i would hoenstly like to kill a moose or at least a white tail from 1000 yrds..
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Well then:rolleyes: according to what you said, what you need is:

1. A 338 RUM.
2. A couple hours to think about what you typed.:rolleyes:

It sounds to me like you are probably 15, and fairly new to guns. Out of the 15K+ members on this site, probably only 10-15 of them are even capable of a 1K shot on deer. You're not one of them.:eek:

When the day comes, and you've proven both ethically (MOA @ 1K) and morally - you can take the shot. I'm not holding my breath.:D
 
well if hunting is what you want to do with your rifle then might wanna tone down the distance just my opion here and from my expierience "I" wont take a shot on any animal past 100-250 yrds simply because a> where i hunt this sint feasable or safe b> there are way to many varibles involved when hunting those distances exceeding 250 yrds c> i cant garuntee a clean kill past 250 yds.
but your milage may vary if you can garuntee a clean kill at 500-1000 yards in the conditions you hunt in then go for it but remeber at 1000 yds if you miss or get a gut shot thats a long walk to get to the blood trail and start tracking
 
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Ok first of all,jackass,telling me to STFU and blathering on like an idiot when we could be disscussing this like men is a good way to get a timeout.:eek:

If you had taken a minute to read my post without flying off the handle you would have seen I said "within your skill level".I said nothing about not doing it.I think when the dude is asking questions about what calibers are go to go that far and all he's shot is an AR then think it's fairly obvious it's not within his skill level.I myself might take such a shot if conditions were perfect and I had enough gun.
So be a man.Appologize for your bad behavior and carry on with this conversation.
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Where's that thumbup smiley... ;) And Longshot certainly knows a thing or two about extended range, I'd take his word for it. ;)
 
marlin1895gs said:
ok, im not new to shooting.. nor to scopes, but i havent shot further then a .223. im lookin for a nice rifle. no set price, i'd pay extra for better as long as i could eventually make use of it. i like the idea of a 338 or something, but there not cheap to shoot and i don't know if i'd really make use of the size versus a .308.. to me bigger is better a .416 puts a smile on my face (don't even know if they'd be good for long range anyway) what would be perfect is a huge ass case necked down to something smaller, to work well with a 200 grain bullet or something but is still cheap to put together. id be fine with single action even. recoil is no problem i shoot 12 guage and .45 70 all the time no problems whatsoever.

what sorta rifle/caliber/scope combo would you all suggest for me? i dont know what i'd all do with it.. coyotes, deer, plinking, learning. but my .45 70 just don't fly that far.. i dont need a huge bullet i guess, if i am going moose or bear hunting i'll take my 45 out in the bush anyways..
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I shoot 6.5's, 40's, 45's, and 30's at the long stuff, and like it all.
Although the .308 is nopt the choice of a lot of people, DON'T let anyone tell you it is no good, or it is only used becasue it is mandatory iin some matches.

The 308 is a whole bunch of fun when strapped into a single pint sling using iron sights.
Also, the 6.5's are very popular right now, but do not win all the time.
The guy that can dope the wind does.

I really like chuckin' those big azzed 40/65 and 45/70 bullets out to 1K, and even the .577 Snider with black powder.

The old .303 is also a lot of fun out to 1K.
The big thing is to find out who is shooting what in your area so you can utilize the rifle and range that is available to you.
It's all good!
Cat
 
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