need a new gun - Beretta or Sig???

which one to add?

  • Beretta / Taurus

    Votes: 18 35.3%

  • Sig 226 / Norinco equivalent

    Votes: 25 49.0%

  • Something else - tell me what to consider!!!

    Votes: 8 15.7%
  • Total voters
    51
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need to (want to) add ONE gun to the arsenal, this time in 9mm for a number of reasons (as opposed to sticking to .40S&W like i thought previously)

gonna use it in IDPA and probably IPSC (but i wouldn't compete in IPSC seriously, just for kicks). already shot them both, but not extensively to know all the details that would make my decision easy, so....

Beretta 92 - i like the big grip, it's accurate, i like the open slide design but sometimes the brass flies straight back and not to the side, i'm hoping that finding those blocks to replace every 5k rounds isn't going to be impossible, and if i do go this route i'd actually favour the Taurus versions simply due to their frame-mounted 3-position safety/decocker.

Sig 226 - fits well, shoots just fine, seems to absorb recoil in a weird plasticy way, the decocker is pretty good to have, mags seem to be expensive (and i'd probably need 6 in total) as is the gun itself, no idea on what will need frequent replacement (perhaps that weird-arse braided recoil spring???)


other than cost (which seems to be in favour of the Beretta), what are some other factors that i'm not aware of? and based on those, which would be the better gun to add to the arsenal? or is there a THIRD type that would fit even better? i've only got space for ONE more (and so far have a revolver, a glock, and a 1911)
 
Its more of a personnal choice than anything, personnally i like the design of the Beretta better, the grips fits my hand nicely and I love how the slide is so smooth.
If I were you i'd spend the extra cash on the real thing just because it'll be more solid and since not all the parts are interchangeble on the clones it might be hard to find replacements for the norc/taurus. cheers
 
You can find Sig mags for around 40$ a piece if you look closely. It is recommended to replace the recoil spring every 5k rounds. I believe questar or Wolverine sells a spring kit for around 30 bucks that covers most springs in the pistol.

I know for a fact parts aren't easy to get and are expensive for SIGs, but they're becoming more common as we speak. Luckily they are known for their reliability and parts rarely/never break. I believe it's the same for Beretta. Those ain't CZ or Glock, parts are a bit more scarse and not everyone stocks them...

As some other stated, after handling a Norc NP22 (or whatever) P228 clone, go with the real thing; It's worth every penny. If you don't care about exterior look and crappy/fragile/flaky finish and know a smith who can smooth out the trigger pull, knock yourself out with the Norc. I think I read somewhere that some parts are exchangeable between the real thing and the knockoff.
 
I say go with the cz's. I've had all sorts of handguns including 4 beretta's a couple of cz's, norcs, glocks etc. And I have always returned to cz. The only part that can break on ocasion is the slide stop, but if u change it every 5000 rounds or so u will never have a prob.
 
ok, one new factor to add into this whole thing... during my drive in to work today, it occurred to me that the weather is gonna be more nasty in the coming months (and i intend to shoot year-round), so this gun WILL get exposed to "inclement weather" such as drizzle, fog, rain, snow, etc. and i'm not the wussy type to hide, wrap it in plastic, or strip it and dry it in the oven every single time. basically, if it's raining or i drop it in the snow, i want it to keep working for the day and if it got TOO wet / dirty then i'll clean it a bit at the end of the day - but if it's just drizzle then the thing better keep shooting and stay rust-free with nothing more than a simple wipe-down.

so, which one is more likely to work just fine in and after some not-always-sunny-n-dry weather?

CZ - tried those, just can't seem to like them. too skinny and since i shoot reloads ONLY i have heard more than a few stories of a CZ failing to properly load or work with reloads. i prefer fatter guns (they fit me better), so unless there's a CZ that is or can be nice n chunky AND tolerant of various types of reloaded ammo, they're out.
 
I love my sig - don't buy the norinco if you even remotely considered purchasing the sig.

my gun looks flawless in person, the machining is perfect all around (as expected). i would consider the norc if you already had a sig, just to make your own comparisons for fun.

as far as mags go, I paid $32 ea from Marstar and they are identical to my factory sig mags minus the sig sauer logo (mecgar)

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BP7 said:
ok, one new factor to add into this whole thing... during my drive in to work today, it occurred to me that the weather is gonna be more nasty in the coming months (and i intend to shoot year-round), so this gun WILL get exposed to "inclement weather" such as drizzle, fog, rain, snow, etc. and i'm not the wussy type to hide, wrap it in plastic, or strip it and dry it in the oven every single time. basically, if it's raining or i drop it in the snow, i want it to keep working for the day and if it got TOO wet / dirty then i'll clean it a bit at the end of the day - but if it's just drizzle then the thing better keep shooting and stay rust-free with nothing more than a simple wipe-down.

so, which one is more likely to work just fine in and after some not-always-sunny-n-dry weather?
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i think you just answered your own question with the above statement about bad weather shooting with minimal care
and you say you even want a thicker grip, those wooden sig grips are large so it`s another +1

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would ALL Sigs be fine in nasty weather, or do i need to get the Navy version for that? or a stainless version? i like stainless on my revolver, but i'm not too crazy about it on a semi. given the choice, i'd prefer "black" as long as it can put up with the weather conditions...
 
the frame is aluminum on the black ones, with a stainless slide.

when you get the all stainless guns like above, you have a stainless frame as well. i still want a stainless sig, they are beauties but are super heavy - when I first held one I was shocked at the weight compared to my blued
 
Just as an fyi about the cz's and reloads, one of the only reasons the ammo dosent work it's because the oal is to long. Find your max oal for your chamber and you'll be fine, I can load up mine up to 1.145 in lenght and I never had an issue.

In the end, you have to get what fits your hands. Nothing else matters. All of the firearms are quality guns so that should not be an issue.
 
Browning Hi-Power MkIII

I'd get a BHP MkIII..... after many years of different double stack 9mm's that's what I've found that fits & works best for me....

In fact, I liked the 9mm so much I later got one in .40 S&W, too.... :cool:

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NAA.
 
We see these types of dicussions regularly, and there are lots of interesting points raised which are good to read about.

But isn't the fundamental answer in every case -- Do your research on the forums about quality, problems, service, etc and then
Go with the gun that feels best to you -- comfort, grip feel and size, balance, balance (again), and the gun that gives YOU CONFIDENCE

All the the guns mentioned shoot pretty well. I'll challenge anyone to say that, WITHIN A GIVEN PRICE RANGE, (say $650-1000), that Model X is far more accurate, or a much better gun than Model Y. It's all IM(H)O for everyone. So the person who is going to buy has to decide which is the right gun in his opinion -- no one elses. Hence I offer the criteria above for gun choice, but I'll not venture to say X is better than Y. I WILL suggest that IMHO, I prefer X to Y. I happen to like and own a Sig P226 -- it "feels" good to me, but the Berretta is a great gun; even some models of Norinco have very good points (see other Forums on the Norinco 1911's etc).

Not enough is said about feeling confident about your gun. If you have any doubts that a gun won't work for you, DON'T buy it. See if you can try one from a fellow shooter.

The same is true in any other sport, confidence and skill over-ride equipment. Golfers are some of the worst. A scratch golfer with lousy clubs can toast a club player with the latest Pings. Skill and confidence make you good. Equipment helps a bit but is very secondary.

IMO far too many people buy guns based on an image and then find they don't really like them and the guns end up as safe queens (but aren't collectables) or appearing on EE (not so bad from the CGN Forum perspective and the gun dealers I suppose!!)

Bottom line -- PHYSICALLY TRY IT more than once (with ammo if you can), COMPARE, TRY IT AGAIN, IF IT FEELS GOOD, BUY IT, USE IT AND ENJOY!!
 
so i called up Sig to get some clarification on which version of the 226 has the most corrosion-proof parts, and it sounds like they're all pretty well the same, the only diff being external visual differences or stainless versus park'd or nitro'd or whatever. i was thinking that either a 226 Navy or 226 Combat would have different guts to make them better suited to harsh environments, but according to the people at Sig it's all the same. hmm.....
 
I voted Beretta.

had a couple of Sigs before 226 and 220. P226 looked amazing but at the end left me disappointed. I'm considering getting a Norinco version at some point.

Oh and you don't have to change the locking block every 5K! recoil spring maybe
 
IM_Lugger said:
I voted Beretta.

had a couple of Sigs before 226 and 220. P226 looked amazing but at the end left me disappointed. I'm considering getting a Norinco version at some point.

Oh and you don't have to change the locking block every 5K! recoil spring maybe
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what was it about the 226 that left you bland?
 
There was a thread recently over SigForum about SIG finish resistance. It is said that the most recent Nitron pistol (max 5 years ago) have a new Nitron formula and it is very resistant. On that same thread, a few people claimed they carry everyday and the pistol shows no wear, even on the sharp edges. No rust either.

For my part, I don't really have carrying experience. I know I banged it a few times on the safe door, but it didn't ding or flake or chip. Looks brand new.
 
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