Need city of birth?

About 10 years ago I purchased a mail order long gun from a store in Alberta and they called back and asked for my place of birth. At that time we still had the LGR and I just accepted it as they said they needed it to verify my PAL with the CFC/CFP.
 
A little exaggerated, and you can disable the GPS function and not use certain functions. Besides I know a bunch of people exactly for that and other reasons not owning a cell phone.


You can not disable the GPS functions of a smart phone..... that little button does literally nothing outside prevent a few apps from using your gps. It does not stop the GPS that is required for the phone to work at it's most basic levels like asking for signals and sending them. Not exaggerated if you have a phone, a smart tv, and a computer, or PlayStation they all talk to each other about the info they collect to better serve you advertisements. If you gave an app permission to have access to your microphone or gps location services. Then you've given them everything you say, everywhere you go, and their algorithms with almost 100% certainty point out to the advertisers where they think you'll be next. Non of this is new or hard to find out this stuffs been out their in the tech news for years now.

We can't avoid it, and the amount of data google and other companies has on you or anyone else with a cellphone would probably make the average person get chills if they saw it in paper form in front of them.

Prime example: The other day my friend brought up a almost unknown new pool player. He's not famous, not a big name. We chatted in a room with our cellphones connected to the wifi about this pool player. We turn on the PlayStation, he types in the first letter of the guys name and wallah. PlayStation YouTube app already knew we wanted to watch that exact pool player. Our phones on the wifi network talked to the playstation after listening to keywords in our conversation. It's everywhere now.

Another example. There is a company based in toronto that my friend had an interview at. Their entire business model was putting these tinny box's around cities, that track your Sin number, throughout the city. Keeps tabs on where it's going, how fast etc... Then they along with the network of data they have purchased from other data retailers gets your name, age, birthdate etc... Then they sell their collected behavioral data on you to advertisers (Clearly not the only people buying this stuff).
 
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So if I buy a rifle brand new and dont "transfer" it if I sell it then for 20 years the CFO has reason to believe I still own it if it ever ended up in the wrong hands thereafter?

So....how is that not a long gun registry?

All the sudden long guns require all the information as a restricted upon sale to clear your name instead of just a confirmation of license before handing the rifle over?

You likely can't take possession of your purchase if a transfer is incomplete, at least from business. A 20 year history of the owners of a firearm will make CFO understand at what point the firearm went to the wrong hand, owners are the points.

It emphasizes more on the procedure, it still is

What you read in the picture is from C-71.
 
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I thought it was needed to verify an address, but just logged into a business account, and I can verify everything including phone numbers with "first 8 numbers, and DOB"
The last time I was asked this (place of birth) personally, was by the CFO when purchasing a restricted privately to verify it was me...
If the dealer starts the transaction, and purchaser calls into CFO, I'm not sure why they need this info?
 
I thought it was needed to verify an address, but just logged into a business account, and I can verify everything including phone numbers with "first 8 numbers, and DOB"
The last time I was asked this (place of birth) personally, was by the CFO when purchasing a restricted privately to verify it was me...
If the dealer starts the transaction, and purchaser calls into CFO, I'm not sure why they need this info?

Correct, in the case of purchasing from business, place of birth was only used when business initiates restricted transfer.

And this is couple steps after a business verified buyer's PAL.
 
You can not disable the GPS functions of a smart phone..... that little button does literally nothing outside prevent a few apps from using your gps. It does not stop the GPS that is required for the phone to work at it's most basic levels like asking for signals and sending them. Not exaggerated if you have a phone, a smart tv, and a computer, or PlayStation they all talk to each other about the info they collect to better serve you advertisements. If you gave an app permission to have access to your microphone or gps location services. Then you've given them everything you say, everywhere you go, and their algorithms with almost 100% certainty point out to the advertisers where they think you'll be next. Non of this is new or hard to find out this stuffs been out their in the tech news for years now.

We can't avoid it, and the amount of data google and other companies has on you or anyone else with a cellphone would probably make the average person get chills if they saw it in paper form in front of them.

Prime example: The other day my friend brought up a almost unknown new pool player. He's not famous, not a big name. We chatted in a room with our cellphones connected to the wifi about this pool player. We turn on the PlayStation, he types in the first letter of the guys name and wallah. PlayStation YouTube app already knew we wanted to watch that exact pool player. Our phones on the wifi network talked to the playstation after listening to keywords in our conversation. It's everywhere now.

Another example. There is a company based in toronto that my friend had an interview at. Their entire business model was putting these tinny box's around cities, that track your Sin number, throughout the city. Keeps tabs on where it's going, how fast etc... Then they along with the network of data they have purchased from other data retailers gets your name, age, birthdate etc... Then they sell their collected behavioral data on you to advertisers (Clearly not the only people buying this stuff).

Use one of these when you are not actually using your phone. They work quite well.
https://www.amazon.ca/Anti-tracking-Anti-spying-Blocker-Handset-Function/dp/B00PJLA1MW
 
With all the opinions provided got me thinking:

- if I sell a non restricted firearm in equipment exchange, how do I make sure that the address provided to me buy the buyer is his actual address in his PAL?
- what if the firearm I sold is being sent over to another address?

- I know for restricted the CFO verifies the address..

Any tips here?
 
With all the opinions provided got me thinking:

- if I sell a non restricted firearm in equipment exchange, how do I make sure that the address provided to me buy the buyer is his actual address in his PAL?
- what if the firearm I sold is being sent over to another address?

- I know for restricted the CFO verifies the address..

Any tips here?

you'd have to phone in CFO to perform a verification with buyer's PAL # and buyer's DOB, state that you'll ship the non-restricted item to the buyer, then address matching process comes naturally.
 
You're not worried about disclosing your location, your IP address, which guns you buy, and the fact you have a 7 year old, all on a public online forum. But somehow place of birth is an issue?

Youza.

Youza you make several incorrect assumptions:

1. I slightly modified the information of my purchase to obscure the details, but keep the intent and thrust of the post the same. I am more privacy conscious than most. You also won't find my personal information on public social media.

2. I have to give my name, DOB, and PAL. However, my city of birth, information that is rarely asked for and very identifiable is not a requirement. Why should we have to give extra? Shall I send a DNA profile as well? These unique indicators make is much easier to track you for perpetuity. Each time you give a new piece you increase the likelihood.

3. More to the point - you used a version of the fallacy of relative privation. Because they already have some identifying information I should have no objection to giving any information asked.

We should be giving the minimum legally required.
 
The OP is RIGHT. data collection is an issue and I also don't think gun shops are specialists in keeping personal information secure. So the less that is stored or asked the better. Besides, still not everybody is on Social Media, so make the assumption he is is wrong. Besides, you can be and still keep certain information that allows for identity theft more confidential (I never post on my SM when my birthday is and how old for example). Its all about being aware. Do what you want but let others concern be, they are justified.


Scared. lol that's what you guys are. If someone wants to steal my identity they gotta steal my wallet out of my cold dead hands. if its online ill let the fraud detectives deal with it. Again I was born in Toronto for the guys that didn't hear lol scared...
 
Yeah no kidding. What's the issue? I bought a cheap .22 specifically with my 9 year son in mind, to get him into shooting at an early age. Of course it is in my safe and under my control for now, but I like to think of it as my son's first rifle. Is there a problem with getting our kids into the firearm culture?

No sir. I'm happy to hear your lil big guys getting into the shooting sports. You sound like a great father. Teach him everything you know. he wants to learn it. You're his superman. My lil big guys begging to start but just a couple more years and he'll be ready. I'm still teaching him the ropes though.
 
Wow another thread about info.
Shouldn't we be more worried about a business we don't trust knowing where we live and store our guns.
If you don't trust them don't tell them nothing.

Oh and yes Tenda knows where I store my fire arms. Dam sales,but I will resist next time.
 
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