Need help from someone who knows the Lanchester Mk1

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I'm cleaning up a very dusty & dirty but original condition Lanchester Mk1. The magazine well, as you know, is made of gunmetal, an alloy similar to brass.

On this gun, the mag well is a olive-drab color. At first I thought it was aged patina (and it may well be), but it has more of a uniform chemically-applied look to it IMHO.

When these guns were first made, was the mag well left bright brass color like a SMLE buttplate? Or were they darkened like with an acidic solution or something?

I would personally believe the Brits would not have sent troops into combat in ww2 (as opposed to ww1 when they most certainly WOULD have!) with a bright and shiny brass mag well, but who knows?

Anyhow, before I put the brasso to this thing, I would like to know I am not destroying the original finish.

I don't trust the photos of the ones on the IMA-USA site as those guns have obviously been heavily touched up when they were built up onto dummy receivers.

Please help!!
 
Here's one whose mag well is the same color as mine:
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from here: http://www.deactivated-military-weapons.co.uk/mdwsupplies-deactivated-sub-machine-guns.html
 
I believe the entire Lanchester production was intended for the Royal Navy so the question of bright brass wouldn't be an issue.

Besides, sailors at sea need to be kept busy, shining brass makes good makee workie ;)

Craig
 
They were chemically blackened, probably followed by paint later in life...

Thanks for the info. I've pretty much decided to leave it as-is, and merely clean off the crud, not any blackening or patina.

Pics to follow later if anyone is interested. It's rare the see a MkI, the more cheaply made MkI* is much more common, though all Lanchesters are somewhat a rarity these days, I think.
 
I believe the entire Lanchester production was intended for the Royal Navy so the question of bright brass wouldn't be an issue.

Besides, sailors at sea need to be kept busy, shining brass makes good makee workie ;)

Craig

They were intended for the army, but Mr. Turpin was given the orders to "chinese copy" the MP-28 & he went to Major Shephard with a better idea. The rest as they say is history.
 
I think it is safe to say that they saw service on land. The intent was to use them to arm the Royal Marines for landing parties.
 
It is what is called bronze, an alloy that is hard and corrosion resistant.
It is also a favourite of sculptors and metal artists because it lends itself well to precision casting and molding.
An experienced foundryman could reproduce that Lanchester's parts using a lost wax process.
Different color patinas can be achieved by combining heat with application of acid solutions.
You can get the recipes in art foundries or by talking with bronze sculptors.
Good luck!
PP.
 
Learn something new everyday. I was misinformed. My bad :)

Craig

Mr. Turpin was chief draftman and he figured that the MP-28/Lanchester was too expensive/complicated.

He sketched out a new sear/disconnector/trigger/selector/bolt relationship which continued unchanged thru the MkI, MkII, MkIII & MkV STEN Machine Carbine's production & service life.

Even the production parts look identical to the original sketch on a cocktail knapkin.
 
It is what is called bronze, an alloy that is hard and corrosion resistant.
It is also a favourite of sculptors and metal artists because it lends itself well to precision casting and molding.
An experienced foundryman could reproduce that Lanchester's parts using a lost wax process.
Different color patinas can be achieved by combining heat with application of acid solutions.
You can get the recipes in art foundries or by talking with bronze sculptors.
Good luck!
PP.

Good luck convincing some pony-tailed, sandal-wearing, tea-sipping sculptor to even touch your Lanchester, never mind make you pieces.

Sculptors are like trombone players. Every one of them is an individual.
 
Claven2

I just saw your thread regarding the finish on your Lanchester.

I am glad to hear that you decided against removing the finish off the magazine housing as I suspect that it is the correct original finish.

I have also seen photos of the polished brass looking housings and I had the same questions that you have.

I own a very nice Lanchester Mk 1* and the whole gun has a greenish/gray finish including the barrel jacket.

Photographing the accurate color finish on some guns is very difficult.

I have attached some photos to try and provide a sense of the finish on my gun.

David



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