Need M-1 Carbine Help Pls!!

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Gentlemen:

I have joined the ranks of M-1 Carbine owners, and am in need of some help.

I recently purchase an Saginaw M-1 carbine, with the battle flip peep sights, and was shooting some Dynamite Nobel Factory ball loads over the weekend.

The rifle seemed to shoot fine, (if not low and left and 50 yards), and the brass reliably and energetically ejected, however the spent casings ejected straight into my forehead. Please keep in mind that I am a left hand shooter. That being said, it is my understanding that a clean well oiled m-1 carbine should eject forward at 2:00.

Further, are there any replacement rear peep sights that will allow for windage and elevation adjustments. I would rather irreversibly not modify the carbine if possible.

This is a great little carbine, and I think it will be fun to shoot, just need a little help getting started.

I thank you in advance for all you help and or ideas.

Sincerely

R

PS: If this post is in the wrong place, please let me know where it should be and I will be happy to move it
 
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You need a revision 5 or revision 6 slide (ie, bolt handle) to change the ejection angle - easy to get on the bay.

the rear sight is in a dovetail. you can drift the flip sight out and replace it if you want to.

Does it have a push button safety or a flip type?

Also, if all the parts are correct WW2 saginaw, don't change ANYTHING. It's worth a mint if all original and not refurbed.
 
If it has a flip sight, pleaaseeee don't drift and replace it, like Claven said, its worth more like it is. Better to sell it for an M1 Carbine that works for you.
 
Claven:

Thx for your response. I belive the Saftey is the push button type.
I do not belive its all original. It looks like this:

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I was able to take the flash hider off with out any damage, as it was friction fit. I got some 5/15 mags, and they work and look great.

I am no expert, but it looks to me like the stock has been refinished, which is fine as I bought it for a shooter. If you all belive it to be orriginal I will leave it.

I appreciate the input, and any further Ideas would be appreciated.

regards and all the best

R
 
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Richard,

It is in ww2 config which is good. Can you give us the markings on the various bits? The stock has been varnished, but it might be OK under the goop. Can you make out any cartouches under the varnish? If so, what are they?

The push button safety and flip sight are *uncommon* these days. You also have a WW2 correst type 1 front band. It might well be original. Please don;t change anything until you investigate and report on markings. Also, some detailed photos would help.

The stock is also RARE. It's an intact high-wall Mk1 stock - those sell for over $200 on e-bay alone once you remove the ugly varnish.
 
Claven:

LOL OK, I will not modify anything for now!!

I will do my best to have a look and take some pictures and report back.

I purchased this at a price I could not refuse and hoped to use it as an entry level carbine in "3-gun". I simply could not afford and AR or CZ-858, and did not want to use an SKS (no disrespect intended to those that do).

I truly thank you all for your help and input. I will keep you all posted.

Regards and all the best

R
 
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The stock has the high sidewall below the handguard cut for the operating rod - an earlier version.
Is the recoil spring guide on the right hand side of the receiver a separate piece, not part of the receiver?
Front band is also an earlier style.
The majority of M-1 carbines were rebuilt while in service. There is a chance that yours may be a relatively early original assembly.
 
Correct me if am wrong here guys, but that barrel looks longer than original. Is that a new aftermarket barrel making it non-restricted?

If the flip sight is original, and there is no reason to suspect otherwise, that is worth a good buck as well.

LI
 
Tiriaq:

To be honest I have no idea. I have not even had here apart yet. The best I can do is take a picture and you can see for yourself.

LI:

Good to see you again bud. To answer your question, the in my estimation the barrel is original. Some one took the time to carefully machine an extension/flash-hider, and friction fit it, probably in the hope of making it a non-restricted M-1 carbine with out damaging historical value.

It actually came off while shooting without damage to either part (not even any scratches), and I still have it. I was very happy about this development as the previous own said it was silver soldered on, and I wanted to remove it, but was unsure how with out damaging things. So I just decided to shoot it. After its unintentional removal, my good friend and I inspected it with out any trace of solder so we came to the conclusion of friction fit, and that the muzzle blast from repetitive rounds slowly and evenly removed it. I will take pic’s of it as well if so desired.

All this response is truly unexpected, but appreciated.

Thank you for your time

Regards and all the best

R
 
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Bittermansbro said:
Richard,

From your picture, it sort of looks like the oiler/sling cut was opened up a bit, can you confirm this?
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I'm Sorry I cannot.

I can tell you that, I am not the first owner, and I am new to M-1 Carbines, as well as military collectables.

In general I am a "What you see is what you get" Kind of guy LOL. To aid this, I will try to take some more pictures and we can take it from there.

regards and all the best
R
 
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reciever is a Type B, variation 1, built for Inland but assembled by Saginaw.

Type A barrel with no date

Type A, variation 1 trigger housing.

Type A front sight with groove

Type A, variation 2 front swivel which has been cut open

Standard Products butt plate

Type A leaf sight

Type B recoil plate

Type A, variation 1 handguard with deep groove

Type A, variation 2 stock, hard to tell what maker, but it is a high-wood stock. hard to tell what is in the sling aperture, but if you can make it out, it will tell alot about the stock. That oval oiler hole has also been cut out a bit.

Parts I can't see:

bolt (Type A for sure, maker will be stamped on the end of the left lug when you remove it)
extractor
op slide (looks to be a Type A, variation 4) it may be marked on the underside with 'SG'

gas piston nut
sear
hammer
trigger
mag catch
Safety (may or may not be marked 'SG' but is a type A, variation 2 plain)

Looks like its got that 'blood rust' a couple of my carbines have on them. The recoil plate just looks like its got hardened cosmo on it.

Nice carbine Richard. Tired, going to bed. Good pics too man! Grrreat!
 
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Agree with above. It could well be original, though I haven't seen the above listed parts that don't show codes.

The damage to the slot on the stock could just be wear. Removing the varnish might bring up the maker's cartouche. I'd recomment chemical stripper - DON'T use sand paper.

The carbine looks like a winner to me from what we've seen so far. Don;t change any parts!!!
 
The varnish can be chemically stripped, without harming the wood beneath - a restoration, not a refinish. Looks as if you got a lot more than a carbine for recreational shooting.
 
One of the reasons I love carbines is that they are like Cracker Jack boxes, when you open them up, you never know what you are going to find, but no matter what, its always enjoyable to see.
 
R. Wagner, please reduce the size of your pictures. A dial up user will be loading this page until next week.
LI, it's got a barrel extension on it. Or did. It's still restricted.
 
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