I'm thinking to buy a Berreta CX-4 Storm 9mm in non-restricted , because I really like the looks of the carbine. But it is gonna be my first semi-automatic firearm, I'm wondering how is performance of this carbine, and it is easy to maintain? Dose anybody have any exprience with this carbine? Thank you
Need some suggestion for Berreta CX-4 Strom
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Mine is awsome with 96 mags, it hold 14 rounds legally and never have cause a malfunction, mounted with a Leupold Delta Point 7 MOA, permitting total co-witness with the metalic sight...This have to be one of the most fun rig of all my herd... JP.
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Heya Silent,
My first advice would be to be certain about why you want this firearm: it's definitely something of a (fun!) niche product, but a mite costly ($1100 naked) and you can pretty much forget shooting at anything beyond 100 yd. With zero at that range, your bullet will drop by about five to six feet (feet, not inches!) by the time it hits 250 yd (even counting the extra 200 ft/s you get from the 19 3/4" barrel). That's actually one of the reasons I got this gun: I like the shorter danger zone behind my targets when I plink on crown lands. And I wanted a caliber bigger than a .22, something that could bring down a furry larger than a chihuahua if I needed to do so while hiking.
I got mine not too long ago (only have about 500 rounds through it), and to date I like it a lot. On the plus side:
On the minus side: I make no guarantee about its accuracy. I'm still trying to get used to it and my groups are absolutely nothing to write home about. The problem is, I still can't figure how much of the issue is inherent to the gun, how much is the cheap factory ammunition and how much is just me shooting like a spastic squirrel (likely the latter). Best groups I've done to date are only about 4-5 MOA. One thing I'll say is that the trigger is rather stiff (feels like 8 pounds+). Oh well, I'll just have to practice some more (oh, the hardship!).
One minor point about the mags: you don't "roll" the rounds into them as you'd do for an AR-15 mag, you have to push and slide them in. You'll want to use the loader that comes with the carbine because it really makes it MUCH easier when you load those last couple rounds!
Another minor inconvenience is that I can't find butt stock spacers in Canada (I wanted to try lengthening the pull a little to see if it helps): they're plenty common in the US, but no one south seems to be shipping north and no one north seems to be carrying them. Not a problem unless you have arms like a gorilla, though.
My first advice would be to be certain about why you want this firearm: it's definitely something of a (fun!) niche product, but a mite costly ($1100 naked) and you can pretty much forget shooting at anything beyond 100 yd. With zero at that range, your bullet will drop by about five to six feet (feet, not inches!) by the time it hits 250 yd (even counting the extra 200 ft/s you get from the 19 3/4" barrel). That's actually one of the reasons I got this gun: I like the shorter danger zone behind my targets when I plink on crown lands. And I wanted a caliber bigger than a .22, something that could bring down a furry larger than a chihuahua if I needed to do so while hiking.
I got mine not too long ago (only have about 500 rounds through it), and to date I like it a lot. On the plus side:
- it's short and light (33" and <7 lbs makes for an easy carry in the bush),
- controls are ergonomically fine and ambidextrous (you have to set them to the side you prefer),
- it has low recoil (9mm Luger impulse vs 7 lbs firearm),
- it uses 10-rounds mags (12 if you can find Beretta 96 mags in .40 S&W),
- it won't break your bank when shooting (9mm is about $0.30-$0.35 a round for FMJ).
On the minus side: I make no guarantee about its accuracy. I'm still trying to get used to it and my groups are absolutely nothing to write home about. The problem is, I still can't figure how much of the issue is inherent to the gun, how much is the cheap factory ammunition and how much is just me shooting like a spastic squirrel (likely the latter). Best groups I've done to date are only about 4-5 MOA. One thing I'll say is that the trigger is rather stiff (feels like 8 pounds+). Oh well, I'll just have to practice some more (oh, the hardship!).
One minor point about the mags: you don't "roll" the rounds into them as you'd do for an AR-15 mag, you have to push and slide them in. You'll want to use the loader that comes with the carbine because it really makes it MUCH easier when you load those last couple rounds!
Another minor inconvenience is that I can't find butt stock spacers in Canada (I wanted to try lengthening the pull a little to see if it helps): they're plenty common in the US, but no one south seems to be shipping north and no one north seems to be carrying them. Not a problem unless you have arms like a gorilla, though.
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That really a lot information thanks a lot. I'm thinking of buying it because the look of the gun and I want something reliable to shoot 9mm. About the price you mentioned above "1100$ naked" can you still find this price now? Because I checked a lot online retailer the price is all over 1200$.
Bought mine at Al Flaherty's for $1099.99 about a month ago. Now it's $1125 and sold out...
Oh, I just remembered another minor annoyance: the trigger guard is a wee bit wide. That has no impact at all on shooting or carrying the Cx4, but the regular trigger locks that have a 1" hasp do not fit securely: I can remove them while locked by just twisting them a little. So I have to use a wire lock passed through the mag well and ejection port.
And you're right about the looks: Oh, those dark-haired and dark-eyed Italian signorinas... Mmmmmmmm!
Oh, I just remembered another minor annoyance: the trigger guard is a wee bit wide. That has no impact at all on shooting or carrying the Cx4, but the regular trigger locks that have a 1" hasp do not fit securely: I can remove them while locked by just twisting them a little. So I have to use a wire lock passed through the mag well and ejection port.
And you're right about the looks: Oh, those dark-haired and dark-eyed Italian signorinas... Mmmmmmmm!
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Bought mine at Al Flaherty's for $1099.99 about a month ago. Now it's $1125 and sold out...
Oh, I just remembered another minor annoyance: the trigger guard is a wee bit wide. That has no impact at all on shooting or carrying the Cx4, but the regular trigger locks that have a 1" hasp do not fit securely: I can remove them while locked by just twisting them a little. So I have to use a wire lock passed through the mag well and ejection port.
And you're right about the looks: Oh, those dark-haired and dark-eyed Italian signorinas... Mmmmmmmm!
Thanks, I'll check their website later on, hope I can find a good deal.
I have a restricted 9MM, was $790.00 less than 2 years ago, so the price has really jumped. I like mine. With my Strike Fire red dot, I can shoot ragged hole 5 shot groups at 50 yards with cast bullets from a good rest. I will drop a scope on it to test it's 100 yard capability, but not too concerned about 100 yard grouping as I have a Rem 700 heavy barrel in .223 with a 6.5 to 20 Leopold which is without a doubt a much better long range option. Or my Savage Model 12 LRPV in .204 Ruger also a much better long range option.
The Beretta CX-4 is a range toy and is fun for what it is, just don't get unrealistic expectations what a 9mm round can do long range grouping wise.
The Beretta CX-4 is a range toy and is fun for what it is, just don't get unrealistic expectations what a 9mm round can do long range grouping wise.
Care to share some cast load data? I can't seem to keep mine from leading, even just a little bit is too much for me. Kinda annoying considering how fast I can run plain base boolits out of my 16" Rossi R92 in 357 magnum.
Aye, if I remember right, 2 years ago we had about parity with the US dollar.
I'm struggling to make 2" groups at 50 yards right now. I was told not to expect more from factory ammo, but I still think I should be able to do better, damnit! You're entirely right, though: it's a fun range and plinking toy, but for 100 yards I'll use something else than a pistol cartridge.
Benched and bagged, I could get under 3" groups@100M with IVI 124gr ball and the factory sights. You'd be hard pressed to do better with a dot sight are as most have a 2 moa dot or larger.
Velocity and energy figures for 9mm rounds shot out of a carbine won't set the world on fire, but they aren't anemic either. I've found that with careful handloading, the best you could hope for is to get energy and velocity figures at 100m that you would normally get with a pistol at the muzzle.
Velocity and energy figures for 9mm rounds shot out of a carbine won't set the world on fire, but they aren't anemic either. I've found that with careful handloading, the best you could hope for is to get energy and velocity figures at 100m that you would normally get with a pistol at the muzzle.
Aye, if I remember right, 2 years ago we had about parity with the US dollar.
I'm struggling to make 2" groups at 50 yards right now. I was told not to expect more from factory ammo, but I still think I should be able to do better, damnit! You're entirely right, though: it's a fun range and plinking toy, but for 100 yards I'll use something else than a pistol cartridge.
a 9mm is lethal up to 200 yards and even beyond.
it sure is no toy!
I get minor leading as well, but easily removed with a Lewis lead remover. I use a home cast Ideal 120 grain. Part# 356402. I use to use 50% monotype or linotype with wheel weights, but lionotype/monotype very difficult to source anymore. So I now I use straight wheel weights that are water dropped when they come out of the mould. This does increase the hardness over air cooled considerably.
Bullets are sized to .3575. Larger is better, leading is worse with commercial cast .356. The limit is of course is chambering. If bullets are too large, they expand the case too much and will not chamber. Leading is much worse if you shoot bullets sized at .356
Best load is 4.1 grains Win 231. or 4.5 gr Unique. Currently using Winchester primers, but I don't think primwer selection makes much difference in this case.
The challenge with the 9MM is the faster twist in the barrels compared to .38/.357, which have a slower twist and don't lead nearly as easily. So you need a heavy enough charge to reliably cycle the action, but you want velocities around 1000 fps, as once you get much over that unless you have a source of very hard lead, leading will result.
I have found in my 9MM hand guns a huge variance in how easily barrels will lead up or not. My CZ 85 Combat and CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow don't lead up at all, where my Ruger SR-9 does and my Girsan 9mm will not shoot cast at all. Also my Keltec Sub 2000 in 9MM does not like cast loads at all.
What? But of course it's a toy! It's a lethal one, granted... Much like a crotch rocket motorcycle or a parachutist wing suit. I don't need it for my work, I don't need it to survive (well, unless the zombie apocalypse arrives, that is), I don't use it in organized sports, I wouldn't hunt a moose with it and it's not a tool with any practical purpose for making my life easier... that makes it a beautifully superfluous, unnecessary and fully enjoyable toy for me to play with!
It's really up to you, Silent... I wanted something that had a little magnification and could act a little as a red dot at 1x zoom, so I ended up with the Vortex Crossfire II. Now I find that I rarely do 1x zoom anyways, lol!
Is your Crossfire II a scope? Or a red dot ?
