nemesis vs trg 22
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I'd love a TRG but I need to move some of my current toys to free up some cash.
I'd pick the TRG over the nemesis solely because of the Greater adjustability of the cheek piece. Am I correct in also thinking that they have an Anschutz-style rail under the fore-end?
I'd pick the TRG over the nemesis solely because of the Greater adjustability of the cheek piece. Am I correct in also thinking that they have an Anschutz-style rail under the fore-end?
I think that before a rifle can be universally accepted as being in the very top tier a significant number of them have to be out in the shooting community. In the fullness of time it may well be the case that the Nemisis will have legions of followers who, like Caramel, are amazed at its' accuracy but I'm not sure that time has arrived. On the other hand, the TRG, the AI AW and, in Canada at least, the PGW Coyote have clearly 'arrived' as evidenced by the many satisfied owners who fully endorse such offerings.
Clearly Caramel you have an excellent rifle but all I am saying is that time will tell whether yours is representative of the model as a whole.
Clearly Caramel you have an excellent rifle but all I am saying is that time will tell whether yours is representative of the model as a whole.
Politely and personnaly, i must say that the Nemesis is a step up from my TRG, i would be the saddest person on earth if i'd have to give it back, one day like you say more peoples will own one and the recognition will follow, i do understand that... JP.
Either that, or you found a load a little easier on the nemesis than the TRG. I have some rifles that need a few different loads to find the sweet spot and others, I find the magic load right away. I can't always say which one is dramatically better than the other. I, personally, think the Nemesis is butt ugly but if it shoots, that's all that matters.
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I own the TRG-22 and have a variety of great loads through it. Not picky to tune. I frequent this rifle long range anywhere from 800m to warm up to 1000m to hit, 600m to goof around with and load develop at 200 meters prone off a bag with it...NEVER A BENCH in my shooting. Something to do with being in the CF i guess.Constant 0.5 MOA even on my bad day. I haven't benched a gun for load development in a long time. I'll post some pictures to follow as talk is cheap in the shooting world.
The only experience i've had with the Nemesis, being a RO at a local range in my area when i ain't playing weekend soldier, was that the user was getting major sticky bolts after every shot. To the point at which you had to use a great deal of force to open it. I am talking a near uppercut with the palm to open the bolt using the $19.99 blue box federal 180 grain. Being a safe conscious individual, i asked the Nemesis owner to take the rifle apart and reassemble it. The rifle continued to do it and eventually the bolt did not open.A nice little bump with a piece of wood got it open. That's the only time i've seen a bolt stick that hard...i've seen some amazing things that people can do to their firearms but this baffled me.
I've seen many TRGs, a variety of AWs and some Coyotes and 1 Nemesis. Overall scoreboard in my opinion goes to the TRG, i've seen many TRGs shoot lights out. 6 friends/people i know shoot them and all are the same. I went with the TRG because my prior sweet load shot 1 ragged hole through 3 different rifles in one day. I sent 5 rds down one 20 incher and ten rounds down 2 different 26 inchers. All three of them had the same group. I was sold.Much less than the others mentioned and every bit as accurate as the shooter. By no means am i world class shot, i am a very good shot don't mind me saying.
Caramel owns the two mentioned in the post and probably has the best chops with both but after i saw the hole sticky bolt thing, it kinda turned me off a bit of the Nemesis for the price point. Every rifle company has a few lemons, maybe this Nemesis was one. But if only 300 are made a year, i sure hope all 300 of the bolts don't stick like that.
If i had the money for any rifle right now it would be the AW. Best construction hands down. In the end, the TRG and Coyote are held together by 2 bolts, the Nemesis takes down and the AW is one piece. By no means am i knocking on Caramel, he is a great resource for shooting as he has given me some suggestions for load development. Pretty hard to beat the TRG long track record and reputation in my opinion.
The only need i see for a take down rifle is for a combat role. My lousy 2 cents for what its worth.
The only experience i've had with the Nemesis, being a RO at a local range in my area when i ain't playing weekend soldier, was that the user was getting major sticky bolts after every shot. To the point at which you had to use a great deal of force to open it. I am talking a near uppercut with the palm to open the bolt using the $19.99 blue box federal 180 grain. Being a safe conscious individual, i asked the Nemesis owner to take the rifle apart and reassemble it. The rifle continued to do it and eventually the bolt did not open.A nice little bump with a piece of wood got it open. That's the only time i've seen a bolt stick that hard...i've seen some amazing things that people can do to their firearms but this baffled me.
I've seen many TRGs, a variety of AWs and some Coyotes and 1 Nemesis. Overall scoreboard in my opinion goes to the TRG, i've seen many TRGs shoot lights out. 6 friends/people i know shoot them and all are the same. I went with the TRG because my prior sweet load shot 1 ragged hole through 3 different rifles in one day. I sent 5 rds down one 20 incher and ten rounds down 2 different 26 inchers. All three of them had the same group. I was sold.Much less than the others mentioned and every bit as accurate as the shooter. By no means am i world class shot, i am a very good shot don't mind me saying.
Caramel owns the two mentioned in the post and probably has the best chops with both but after i saw the hole sticky bolt thing, it kinda turned me off a bit of the Nemesis for the price point. Every rifle company has a few lemons, maybe this Nemesis was one. But if only 300 are made a year, i sure hope all 300 of the bolts don't stick like that.
If i had the money for any rifle right now it would be the AW. Best construction hands down. In the end, the TRG and Coyote are held together by 2 bolts, the Nemesis takes down and the AW is one piece. By no means am i knocking on Caramel, he is a great resource for shooting as he has given me some suggestions for load development. Pretty hard to beat the TRG long track record and reputation in my opinion.
The only need i see for a take down rifle is for a combat role. My lousy 2 cents for what its worth.
Best 5 Shot Group Prone Off A Bag @ 200 Meters.
Average 5 Shot Group Prone Off A Bag @ 200 Meters.
Tomochan can support these photos as I may have taken a 5 dollar bill off him as he has won a few friendly wagers off of me.See you guys at the TacMatch.... Training Schedule pending.
Average 5 Shot Group Prone Off A Bag @ 200 Meters.
Tomochan can support these photos as I may have taken a 5 dollar bill off him as he has won a few friendly wagers off of me.See you guys at the TacMatch.... Training Schedule pending.
R-700 is to bad you had a bad first impression of the Nemesis, surely a technical explanation, for myself, a few minor champering hiccups the first time i mounted it in my house, its been perfection since even with my mega R-17 208 Match load the bolt is easy and silky smooth, the Nemesis is now the reigning kind of all my rifles, it's performance make that a well deserve title... My 0.02. JP.
I am happy to confirm the veracity of R700's remarks and photos. As I have said before on this forum, I have yet to see a TRG that won't shoot 1/2 MOA with proper ammo. IMO the PGW Coyote is a shade more accurate than the TRG but there is a cost differential. In terms of rifles costing $3K or so I cannot think of a better buy than the TRG. If the Nemesis cost is in the $5k zone the question one should ask is it worth it when for that money I can but a TRG - a rifle of proven quality - and some relatively good glass or a PGW which is, again, a rifle of proven quality and resale value.
Personally I do hope to try out a Nemesis one day and when I do so perhaps, like Caramel, I will be smitten or perhaps I shall be disappointed. Eiher way, I shall write a honest review and post i here on CGN.
Personally I do hope to try out a Nemesis one day and when I do so perhaps, like Caramel, I will be smitten or perhaps I shall be disappointed. Eiher way, I shall write a honest review and post i here on CGN.
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you guys should pit all the mentioned guns at distances and conditions they were meant for, ie 600m plus. Rain or shine, windy and/or cold. Would be something meaningful to debate instead of boring 200m paper targets.
you guys should pit all the mentioned guns at distances and conditions they were meant for, ie 600m plus. Rain or shine, windy and/or cold. Would be something meaningful to debate instead of boring 200m paper targets.
Instead of #####ing who has the larger #####
Instead of #####ing who has the larger #####
Agree, 200 meters is a walk in the park and not much to back up. I know that my TRG is a long range whip. 43 out of 45 eight inch balloons between me and my friend who has never shot a bolt gun before at 800 meters. First 2 rds where to sight in last summer. Again, sounds like a fishing story but i know what i know cuz i do what i do. Funny little story, took my Dad out long ranging, good ol farm boy who could hit a moose 300 meters standing off a canoe with his 303....so he tells me, never shot 800 meters and first shot, dialed him up and knocked a balloon out cold. Past 600 meters, i am not concerned with groups. Hits on small balloons between 800 and 1000 is moa enough for me.
One thing about the Nemesis though, it is the coolest looking thing out there hands down. Somewhere down the line i hope i get to frequent the rifle. It is on my list for sure. I hope Caramel comes this way one day so I can give it a good try out....not at 200 m either.
2Bad4U is correct, the load is 185 scenar, Varget, CCi-Br2, Lapua Brass, Seated at 2.885. Nothing fancy, just pour, weigh and seat. No Voodoo. That is 1 of 6 loads i use for the TRG...
More Nemesis pics... i want to be a believer. It wins in the cool department over the TRG any day.
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Another plus for the Nemesis is that it is featured in the Motion Blockbuster Hit "The Bource Legacy" featuring Jeremy Renner. That'll give you a good example of how it works in a heated situation.
