- Location
- third tree from the left
looking at getting into duck hunting this year and was wondering if there was a place around edmonton ab to shoot trap and if there was someone that would like to help out a beginer thanks kevin
never shot trap before
- Thread starter redneck posse
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Wednesdays from about 4:30 p.m. until dusk at the Edmonton Gun Club at the International airport (same turnoff as the race track, go a little further west and head south at the sign). Lots of people there to help out a beginner.
Sharptail
Sharptail
- Location
- third tree from the left
thanks guys i was under the impresion that the edmonton gun club was closed for good last year may have to check it out.
Well, then I would suggest that sporting clays would be the best. Especially tower shots or long in comming presentations.
I think trap is good to develop a Swing Through style of shooting. Many have a tendency to try a sustained lead on pass shooting ducks. It used to work for me as did the point and shoot or snap shooting methods when i was younger but now I much prefer the Swing Through method.
Any shooting helps develop eye and trigger finger coordination .
Any shooting helps develop eye and trigger finger coordination .
Murf, what makes you think that a swing through style of shooting is desirable for trap or any other kind of wing shooting? In trap many of the targets are quartering and the muzzle is simply inserted into the lead and maintained. With swing through type shoots you're either hot or you're not. In trap the target speeds are fairly constant so swing through often works. When swinging through targets of different speeds luck seems to play a part. The most successfull shooters are those that determine their swing speed by the target speed. I think that the most successfull shooters are those that instintivley insert their muzzle in the correct lead and keep it there. The best pass duck shooters are those that have practice reading passing ducks and instinctivley go to the appropriate lead and stay there.
I'm no longer around Edmonton but I remember this road into the club. A friend of mine once said "it's the dustiest road in Alberta". ha ha. I wonder if its still the same?
I find that placing the muzzle down low, on trap this is about the level of the top of the house, then picking up the "bird's" path and catching it, firing just as I paint the bird out with the muzzle works for me. I have seen many try to establish a sustained lead and end up stopping the swing just as they shoot. They appear to be rifle shooting and want that picture perfect aim rather than a point.
Because I am catching the bird the speed of the swing is determined by the speed of the bird and angle of deflection.
Even pass shooting ducks on a totally perpendicular path I will keep the gun down, raise it behind the bird and swing through. I was very bad for stoping the swing and elliminating any lead I had determined.
I used to use both snap shooting and sustained lead but find I do better at trap and on live game by swinging through. For a while I even used a single shot on which I had cut off 5 or 6 inches of barrel. This meant the breach actually blocked my vision of the end of the barrel. Just the feel of the gun and total concentration on the bird ( no bead visible) led to a quite high hit percentage. Even now I rarely see the bead. In fact on my Weatherby O/U the coloured bead had fallen off, likely the year before, leaving only the small metal bit it was attached to and I did not notice until cleaning the gun.
I believe that swinging through helps me concentrate on the bird and I do not think about angles, speed, lead etc. only the bird.
I am not saying swing through works for everyone but it has helped my scores.
One must absolutely place hard focus on the leading edge of the target. The target will then seem to slowdown for you. Your barrel is in your periphial. You cannot focus on both! Do you look at the baseball mitt or the ball? Do you look at the tennis racket or the ball? Do you look at the golf ball or the club? You always look at what is moving otherwise, you miss! Instinct is BEST! One really does not think about lead, only of a space. If you start thinking and getting a fixed lead, you will stop the gun and miss.
For practice for Parcours de Chasse FITASC, I shoot trap, bunker trap gun down. I shoot both better gun down because, I have to focus on the target. I get a fluid movement with no time to even look at the barrel. The index is extended along the forearm and instinct takes over. 49/50 gun down on American trap is OK by me!
Best regards,
Henry
www.sportingphotosshop.com
For practice for Parcours de Chasse FITASC, I shoot trap, bunker trap gun down. I shoot both better gun down because, I have to focus on the target. I get a fluid movement with no time to even look at the barrel. The index is extended along the forearm and instinct takes over. 49/50 gun down on American trap is OK by me!
Best regards,
Henry
www.sportingphotosshop.com
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I aos find that if I call for the bird with the gun down, I shoot better, because I don't seem as tense, ebrything is flowing.For practice for Parcours de Chasse FITASC, I shoot trap, bunker trap gun down. I shoot both better gun down because, I have to focus on the target. I get a fluid movement with no time to even look at the barrel. The index is extended along the forearm and instinct takes over. 49/50 gun down on American trap is OK by me!
Best regards,
Henry
www.sportingphotosshop.com
Even in ATA my father often started with the gun halfway to his elbow.
Cat
That is probably the reason why I suck at golf. I always look at the ball and it never moves until I slice it
You were doing great til you threw in the golf ball example.
No matter what method you use to establish lead you must have hard focus on the target. They may disagree on some things but George and Gil both agree on this.
That is probably the reason why I suck at golf. I always look at the ball and it never moves until I slice it
This all comes from a guy who still likes to use the "dancing banana" Do George and Gil agree on this too?
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I am not nor profess to be an expert at trap but I have been shooting shotguns for over 50 years and when i did a bit more trap a half dozen years ago I kept a 22 or 23 average with the odd 25 included.
I will admit the Swing Throufgh method seems to speed up the game for the first while but then it will slow down. Some advise a Pull Ahead method where the gun is inserted AT the bird, followed for a brief period and then sped up to create the lead. They claim this slows down the precieved speed and allows a longer "sweet spot".
In reality I believe many shooters use a combination of styles depending on light, wind and other factors. At the range I most often shoot the wind causes many targets to dip , dive and dance and such movement is increased as the distance increases. Each night it seems one must adjust their style of shooting.
Whatever it is nice to hit the grove when the targets seem to slow down and break even when one is sure they were slightly off target.
Whichever the method one uses more shooting will give the newcomer a better coordination betweenn his eye and trigger finger.
I will admit the Swing Throufgh method seems to speed up the game for the first while but then it will slow down. Some advise a Pull Ahead method where the gun is inserted AT the bird, followed for a brief period and then sped up to create the lead. They claim this slows down the precieved speed and allows a longer "sweet spot".
In reality I believe many shooters use a combination of styles depending on light, wind and other factors. At the range I most often shoot the wind causes many targets to dip , dive and dance and such movement is increased as the distance increases. Each night it seems one must adjust their style of shooting.
Whatever it is nice to hit the grove when the targets seem to slow down and break even when one is sure they were slightly off target.
Whichever the method one uses more shooting will give the newcomer a better coordination betweenn his eye and trigger finger.
Our club has an evening when non shooters are invited out to give the game a trial. I am planning to ask them to cancel the random angle that night and allow the newcomers to have a few pops at the same angle. I think this would lead to more success and interest.
Any comments on this idea???
Murf, I really do not disagree with you all that much. One has to use whatever method put Xs on the score. I have been shooting for about as long as you and I do not believe the they guys. Nothing allows a longer sweet spot, but clear focus on the target seems to slow it down. Not moving the gun til this clear focus is established seems to score better than chasing streaks.
I think that fixing an angle for the new shooters and the older guys is a great idea. Since I think that the straight away is one of the toughest targets, I would set for an easy quartering angle.
I think that fixing an angle for the new shooters and the older guys is a great idea. Since I think that the straight away is one of the toughest targets, I would set for an easy quartering angle.
