New Alberta Elk Opportunity

As far as Suffield goes the Indians have been coming out in droves to Slaughter Bulls. 400 head+ bulls taken in the past few weeks. If these people spent half as much time teaching their kids some respect as they do "subsistence" hunting they would be the burden that they are currently. What a pizz off
 
Mutter87 said:
As far as Suffield goes the Indians have been coming out in droves to Slaughter Bulls. 400 head+ bulls taken in the past few weeks. If these people spent half as much time teaching their kids some respect as they do "subsistence" hunting they would be the burden that they are currently. What a pizz off
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I'm a priority 11 for this Bull draw and didn't get it this past season. Why not release more draw tags instead of letting people who have no appreciation of this privilege lay waste to hundreds of Trophy Bulls that would be a trophy of a lifetime for most hunters.
 
The glory days of big bulls will be over by 2016..... 600 antlered tags to residents in 2015....unlimited First Nations harvest......it doesn't take long to take the top end off. It was fun while it lasted...sure wish I could have drawn a tag.
 
Let the Treaty boys shoot them; it needs doing...badly.
Or the Engineering Corp will be busy burying carcasses when they get sick and die.
I'm not Native so I can't; but jealously nee-dent come into play on this one, just get it done.
Heck sell tags to the 'Merican's; just do something, like yesterday.
Strange; I'd have not seen the 'Lock' coming to this thread at the beginning of it, now ... 3...2...
 
tokguy said:
Let the Treaty boys shoot them; it needs doing...badly.
Or the Engineering Corp will be busy burying carcasses when they get sick and die.
I'm not Native so I can't; but jealously nee-dent come into play on this one, just get it done.
Heck sell tags to the 'Merican's; just do something, like yesterday.
Strange; I'd have not seen the 'Lock' coming to this thread at the beginning of it, now ... 3...2...
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And at one time the government was #####ing about the damage 200 "wild" horses were doing to the place. ;)

Grizz
 
Short story, there were Treaties written, signed and sealed many many years ago.......... it is what it is. The herd requires thinning out and the government is doing their best to solve the problem between the landowners, military, hunters and others. I have priority 10 for this area and with less elk and more grazing land on the base, it should equal bigger bulls............I'll wait, and not #####.
 
marcoman said:
I'm a priority 11 for this Bull draw and didn't get it this past season. Why not release more draw tags instead of letting people who have no appreciation of this privilege lay waste to hundreds of Trophy Bulls that would be a trophy of a lifetime for most hunters.
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I agree. Next year there will be bull tags for a 3 day season, no idea how many good bulls will be left tho, still have two more cow seasons in February then the 1st cow season next year for the Indians to harvest big horned mature bulls for subsistence........
 
Mutter87 said:
I agree. Next year there will be bull tags for a 3 day season, no idea how many good bulls will be left tho, still have two more cow seasons in February then the 1st cow season next year for the Indians to harvest big horned mature bulls for subsistence........
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I wonder how many of those hunters would have traveled to the base to kill elk if each bull was required to have the antlers cut off, so that they couldn't be scored?
 
stubblejumper said:
I wonder how many of those hunters would have traveled to the base to kill elk if each bull was required to have the antlers cut off, so that they couldn't be scored?
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How many people would let me shoot them in the leg with a. 44 so i can see how it looks without any financial compensation for them?

You and me have two totally different questions, yet amazingly they share the same answer.

I don't understand why they are allowed to keep the antlers if it is a meat hunt.
 
tokguy said:
Point well put.
Good point on that one.
Let's keep it fair...free without the horns?
$$$ with, sounds fair to me
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Sure, what ever going rate is at silvertine ranch per""" let them pay it. That would be fair lol good luck scraping that money up.
 
The only issue I have is I don't think the natives have to draw to go on the base at the same time non status people do.
Personally I could care less if there us head gear on an animal or not.
The thing that many are missing is there are three forces at work here and one ( The Alberta Government) may not have as much say as we think they may compared to the other two which would be the Federal Government and the base administration themselves.
as far as numbers go I have seen "400 bulls all over 300" statements on several different websites but have seen no stats concerning to the total count so will take that as gossip
the fact remains that this is a cull, not a " hunt" as it were and the people involved in setting it up don't care about so- called trophy bulls like some do.

One comment that really makes me wonder is how because s person is a native that person would not appreciate a trophy bull the same way a white person would?
Cat
 
When herd reduction is the goal, winter cow tags are issued because that is what controls herd size. If you take out 80 percent of the bulls but zero cows, the calf crop the next year will be the same, as fewer bulls will still have the capacity to breed larger harems. The problem people have, myself included, is that the reason this cull is allowed is because of public pressure to decrease the number of elk LEAVING the base. If the natives were hunting for subsistence as required by law, then they would have been welcomed with open arms on private land to kill as many elk as they could possibly handle, at any time of year. It's the hypocrisy of saying it's a meat hunt just as an excuse to slaughter as many trophy bulls as possible that weren't leaving the fence that rubs people wrong, especially the ones who have waited so long for an opportunity through the proper process.
 
FGR said:
When herd reduction is the goal, winter cow tags are issued because that is what controls herd size. If you take out 80 percent of the bulls but zero cows, the calf crop the next year will be the same, as fewer bulls will still have the capacity to breed larger harems. The problem people have, myself included, is that the reason this cull is allowed is because of public pressure to decrease the number of elk LEAVING the base. If the natives were hunting for subsistence as required by law, then they would have been welcomed with open arms on private land to kill as many elk as they could possibly handle, at any time of year. It's the hypocrisy of saying it's a meat hunt just as an excuse to slaughter as many trophy bulls as possible that weren't leaving the fence that rubs people wrong, especially the ones who have waited so long for an opportunity through the proper process.
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I doubt very much if those same native hunters would be welcomed outside the base, not from what I have read anyway.
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
One comment that really makes me wonder is how because s person is a native that person would not appreciate a trophy bull the same way a white person would?
Cat
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Because he hasn't waited 10+ years to pull a tag the same way a white person would.....

Nevermind the fact that he's likely not shooting single bull.
 
FGR said:
When herd reduction is the goal, winter cow tags are issued because that is what controls herd size. If you take out 80 percent of the bulls but zero cows, the calf crop the next year will be the same, as fewer bulls will still have the capacity to breed larger harems. The problem people have, myself included, is that the reason this cull is allowed is because of public pressure to decrease the number of elk LEAVING the base. If the natives were hunting for subsistence as required by law, then they would have been welcomed with open arms on private land to kill as many elk as they could possibly handle, at any time of year. It's the hypocrisy of saying it's a meat hunt just as an excuse to slaughter as many trophy bulls as possible that weren't leaving the fence that rubs people wrong, especially the ones who have waited so long for an opportunity through the proper process.
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Native people will also utilize the antlers as well, to make artifacts for their own use, or to sell, if legislation allows. Natives are also harvesting females along with the people who received draws, therefore cows are reduced at the same time. If you and et al are searching for equal rights to hunt similar to native rights, or you wish for natives to only have the same privileges as you, well it will never occur. The main objective is to reduce the herd, the elk are not concerned about their numbers, it is land owners, and I don't blame them.
 
Unfortunately, some First Nations are hunting strictly for trophies and I can't but somehow think that contravenes the spirit of their rights but they do have rights that the remainder of us don't have and what they are doing is well within those rights. It's what it is.
 
sheephunter said:
Unfortunately, some First Nations are hunting strictly for trophies and I can't but somehow think that contravenes the spirit of their rights but they do have rights that the remainder of us don't have and what they are doing is well within those rights. It's what it is.
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That may very well be, but as far as registering the rack I was told by two status friends of mine that they cannot unless they supply a tag number with it, most prolly I know want their big racks entered into the books
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
That may very well be, but as far as registering the rack I was told by two status friends of mine that they cannot unless they supply a tag number with it, most prolly I know want their big racks entered into the books
Cat
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Yup, no entry in B&C but I suspect many will go on the wall.
 
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