NEW ANTIQUE FRT CHANGES and Addendum to altered cartridges handguns
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its not a "loop hole" and "idiots blabbing" on cgn.. its the law that was agreed, the rcmp know full well how it worked and that is what they had agreed.. they were not unknowing about it.. that we lucky few had a "secret" to kepe from "other" gun owners..... im sorry to sound harsh or rude.... but you comment shows a very cowed and silly way of thinking that i cannot tolerate. i hope im not correct..
we are here to share our interested not stab our backs..
every new person interested in antique status guns or owning antique status guns makes gun ownership stronger.. i have work in afirearms retail setting in canada... and the lack of knowlage by many customers and buy staff in relation to firearms laws is alarming.. and not lack of knowlage in relation to making mistakes leasding to laws broke.. no.... no.. people the consumer and the staff making things up because they heard it. making laws up ,regulations up ect.. .oh you cant do this oh you cant do that.. haha worse than the cops...
every gun owner should know about antique laws.. in fact every canadian should know about them and know how disgusting it is that we should even have to submit to such ####..
guns are a tool to protect your freedom and your liberty from an oppressive state an unstable society and against predators in society..
in this regard they should be unrestricted for all free people to access..
as a tool for hunting and sport.. collecting they are a secondary thing not a necessity, if we dont have the first power.. the other privellages are moot..., but as a weapon they are vital as an indicator of our level or freedom and control of our society ... and yet in canada many owners of these very guns would willingly submit to the demands of a few undemocratic villains and happily accept being told they cannot have their freedom, that protecting your self is a crime....
we are shrinking and dodging something as silly as antique recognition for some guns shows our situation.
we should fight on everything even the smallest thing.. even something that personally we dont have an interest in.. it has more to do with basic human rights than interest.. the state should not have the capacity to tell us what we can or cannot own if its on inanimate exsistance cannot cause immediate harm to others.. (ie no storing radioactive waste in our basement.. but loaded ak47 in the kitchen no harm.. )
we are here to share our interested not stab our backs..
every new person interested in antique status guns or owning antique status guns makes gun ownership stronger.. i have work in afirearms retail setting in canada... and the lack of knowlage by many customers and buy staff in relation to firearms laws is alarming.. and not lack of knowlage in relation to making mistakes leasding to laws broke.. no.... no.. people the consumer and the staff making things up because they heard it. making laws up ,regulations up ect.. .oh you cant do this oh you cant do that.. haha worse than the cops...
every gun owner should know about antique laws.. in fact every canadian should know about them and know how disgusting it is that we should even have to submit to such ####..
guns are a tool to protect your freedom and your liberty from an oppressive state an unstable society and against predators in society..
in this regard they should be unrestricted for all free people to access..
as a tool for hunting and sport.. collecting they are a secondary thing not a necessity, if we dont have the first power.. the other privellages are moot..., but as a weapon they are vital as an indicator of our level or freedom and control of our society ... and yet in canada many owners of these very guns would willingly submit to the demands of a few undemocratic villains and happily accept being told they cannot have their freedom, that protecting your self is a crime....
we are shrinking and dodging something as silly as antique recognition for some guns shows our situation.
we should fight on everything even the smallest thing.. even something that personally we dont have an interest in.. it has more to do with basic human rights than interest.. the state should not have the capacity to tell us what we can or cannot own if its on inanimate exsistance cannot cause immediate harm to others.. (ie no storing radioactive waste in our basement.. but loaded ak47 in the kitchen no harm.. )
Just got off the phone from talking to the antique techs all morning. Finally got an email from the supervisor and he said that because they have limited access to information I.E. the colt database concerning the caliber of individual guns and their serial number data. They would accept a letter from the original seller confirming the original caliber of the gun. Could be worse but its sill total bullsh!t. Just the first of many small steps in the direction of completely disarming the Canadian populace.
I often try to explain to "anti's" that a knife or baseball bat is much more dangerous weapon than a gun because your neighbor would not hear it if you were killed or assaulted via a stabbing or beating. They still revert back to fear of the "big bad gun" "holy #### thats a gun, will one of us get shot??!!" total ignorance and this is the very type of ignorance that currently runs this country and will continue to run the country.
Why people feel the need of the state to protect them from their own stupidity is beyond me. People need to start teaching their kids to take responsibility for their own actions and stop using "911" and arbitrary laws as a survival mechanism. Unfortunately the stupid people seem to make up the majority and it will only get worse.
Just my angry rant for the day, spend enough time in a large city and the "stupid factor" that you see every day will drive you drink.
I often try to explain to "anti's" that a knife or baseball bat is much more dangerous weapon than a gun because your neighbor would not hear it if you were killed or assaulted via a stabbing or beating. They still revert back to fear of the "big bad gun" "holy #### thats a gun, will one of us get shot??!!" total ignorance and this is the very type of ignorance that currently runs this country and will continue to run the country.
Why people feel the need of the state to protect them from their own stupidity is beyond me. People need to start teaching their kids to take responsibility for their own actions and stop using "911" and arbitrary laws as a survival mechanism. Unfortunately the stupid people seem to make up the majority and it will only get worse.
Just my angry rant for the day, spend enough time in a large city and the "stupid factor" that you see every day will drive you drink.
tactical870
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- Buckhorn, Ontario
Incorrect. This affects all antiques.
I used to own that 1889 Navy and I built it. I looked it up specifically because I knew it was the only one in Canada with the specific FRT and I think I still have a copy of the antique letter for it. I provided that FRT scan to the NFA as evidence as to what is happening.
Can you post a copy of that letter? Or forward it to me?
tactical870
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- Buckhorn, Ontario
There are tons of different FRT's for 1873 SAA's. You need to be more specific. I can assure you, the modern caliber antique FRT #s no longer exist.
Why is anyone surprised? The government has been operating a disarmament plan for decades, what is new? They have no intention of stopping this policy- any short term cessation of this policy (like the LGR) is just that.... A short term drawing back in order to placate the masses.
All of us (myself included) are fools for letting this happen. We have quietly gone about our lives as a left wing, dictatorial and Authoritarian regime has taken over our country. We all now owe fealty to a power structure that has not our self interests at heart. We are now slaves that owe our continued well being, indeed our very continued existence, to the whims of our betters. We have no choice but to accept this bureaucracy and its backers as our betters or they will simply proclaim us criminals.
We have no recourse. We have families, we are responsible for the lives of our dependents- their continued well being is our responsibility. We are now between a rock and a hard place, we must now choose to knuckle under or risk everything. The Question we must now answer is-- "What kind of life do we wish to subject our children to?"
janice
All of us (myself included) are fools for letting this happen. We have quietly gone about our lives as a left wing, dictatorial and Authoritarian regime has taken over our country. We all now owe fealty to a power structure that has not our self interests at heart. We are now slaves that owe our continued well being, indeed our very continued existence, to the whims of our betters. We have no choice but to accept this bureaucracy and its backers as our betters or they will simply proclaim us criminals.
We have no recourse. We have families, we are responsible for the lives of our dependents- their continued well being is our responsibility. We are now between a rock and a hard place, we must now choose to knuckle under or risk everything. The Question we must now answer is-- "What kind of life do we wish to subject our children to?"
janice
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tactical870
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- Buckhorn, Ontario
I meant the email you received
I'm feeling a little confused... Does this mean all .38 spl antiques are no longer antique status?
What about guns in .38 spl with an RCMP letter?
Also, there are webley WGs out there in .476 that can chamber and fire a .45 colt... Has the status of these guns changed?
You probably could get a .38 LC to fire in a .41 LC.... A French 1892 will fire a 32-20 or .32 s&w. Are these no longer antiques....
Answers, please.
What about guns in .38 spl with an RCMP letter?
Also, there are webley WGs out there in .476 that can chamber and fire a .45 colt... Has the status of these guns changed?
You probably could get a .38 LC to fire in a .41 LC.... A French 1892 will fire a 32-20 or .32 s&w. Are these no longer antiques....
Answers, please.
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tactical870
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- Buckhorn, Ontario
There are no straight answers right now. I have heard rumours that the RCMP will only recognize new changes if the gun started out as an antique. That would mean if your 38 spl started life as a 455 you'd be good, whereas a 38spl that started as a 44-40 would be restricted. It's confusing and there is no clear way to tell what the RCMP are doing at this moment.
Anyone else get a "call today" ?
"good thing I sold all mine last month"
O Crap...
You got a call?
tigertrout
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I have also talked with the RCMP techs. Pretty much everything that has been reported in this thread is correct. But keep in mind, for the last 16 years the RCMP has interpreted the law to be exactly the way all of us have interpreted it as well. The fact that their legal counsel is now changing their minds as far as alterations to caliber to an antique handgun does not necessarily change the law, and the law for antique status is clear. An antique status letter from the RCMP tech unit is not mandatory in Canada and never was, if your handgun meets the requirements of the law as it is written then you have nothing to be concerned about, it is by law an antique, they just will not give you a letter. It will however be interesting if there ever has to be a debate in court of this, how will they cover their asses for writing bad law to begin with. I am told that they have no intention of trying to revoke any status letters already given out over the last 16 years, the changes to issuance of antique status letters will take place on a go forward basis.
I just got an antique status letter last week on a Colt SAA in 38 special, I don't write the law I just work within it and we all just abide by the law that is provided for us by the Government of this great country.
I just got an antique status letter last week on a Colt SAA in 38 special, I don't write the law I just work within it and we all just abide by the law that is provided for us by the Government of this great country.
