New AR failure to fire **Solved operator error**

Look I am out of this and glad to be as Ryan has said he offered me a full refund I accepted it and I'm out.

Not going to start a he said she said I know what was said to me and I wouldn't lie because I really don't care...
I have no stake in this benefits me nothing to lie.

So if you don't believe my side of it then don't but other people on here do have a reason to lie it is costing them financially if they told the truth. and other people on here are deeply rooted and have a vested interest in NEA and it's reputation.

I have a whole pile of other pics of the lower as well (race track around the safety selector stops) originally I didn't care about the marks on it or the upper... as is evident if you read my threads.

I simply was asking my peers if this was a normal finish on the upper around the shell deflector (it was as pretty ugly) apparently it wasn't...

There were in fact brass marks on the shell deflector.... that means the upper was fired. The charging handle COULD NOT be pulled to the rear which tells me that the lower was swapped over after it was test fired.

Now you try and say there were no abnormal marks on the shell deflector? and that the upper is acceptable? please post a picture of any so called normal finished upper from the same angles and proximity as the ones i took. lets do a comparison.

let the buyer know he is paying the same for a lesser finished rifle.... be honest. Don't come on the internet and tell everyone how good the "new" batches are.

I really don't want a fight here but I have to admit when I do get in a fight I fight to win.

I am fully ready willing and able to let this all go ... don't bring me into it by using my name and lacing it with bull####.
 
easysauce said:
christ... get the hell out and shoot.....

ryan at sfrc is a stand up guy, stop with the tinfoil hat theory that hes a liar,

seriously, get out and do something useful, let us suffer the HORROR of owning an NEA without all the commentary from the peanut gallery
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So what do you call a guy that describes the same event in two contadictory stories?
 
BCboy said:
Hate to tell you but there are other canadian Manufacturers that make a Bad product as well and so do other countries from all over the world , I have no dog in this ,But how dose this case of you not owning the product , it has nothing to do with your place of work , and it dose not owe you anything . I cant understand why you have such a hate for this company as it has absolutly nothing to do with you . Do you go on endless rants about all other canadian companies that make a substanderd product? each to there own I guess , I just dont understand why people complain when they dont own the product but yet they are the expert on it ?and I do buy rifles to prove people wrong ,mabey I will go buy an NEA to see for my self even though I dont need anouther AR. By the way I shoot a nork now ,I have had armalites,rra's,stag in the past with no issue .
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well this is predictable ^^^
 
mg4201 said:
And here it is from waist height. so which was it?. Again Dweenz is telling one story and you are telling two stories.
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When my AR is at the low ready and I charge it I extend my arm and charge it. The gun moves down in the process. The upper is then about even with my stomach/waist


You really should loosen up your hat a notch and go see someone about your anger issues.
 
Chemist said:
When my AR is at the low ready and I charge it I extend my arm and charge it. The gun moves down in the process. The upper is then about even with my stomach/waist


You really should loosen up your hat a notch and go see someone about your anger issues.
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That makes even less sense than the rest of your story. Good night all.
 
mg4201 said:
It's not personal. Crappy products in the hands of overseas customers gives Canadian manufacturers a bad name. My business is manufacturing, if an overseas cutomer has a bad opinion of Canadian manufacturing it makes it harder for them to believe that my products are any better. So a guy like me who takes pride in what he does gets dragged down by people who don't care what kind of crap goes out of the door. You understand why this pisses me off now?
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OK so what you are pissed about is NEA giving Canadian manufacturers a bad name overseas - are we talking finish or function here?
If it is the finish, have you seen the detailed pics of my rifle? Would that be something that would give a Canadian manufacturer a bad name? Dweenz's finish was rough but as evidenced by the lack of similar issues posted by NEA-15 owners, it would be seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
If the issue for you is function, why is it the NZ and SA feedback here has been universally positive? In fact, some have joked that they got all of the good rifles and us Canadians got "sloppy seconds"!
Either way, it doesn't sound like anything that would give "a bad opinion of Canadian manufacturing" and seems unlikely to impact the overseas work the owner of your shop receives.
 
mg4201 said:
well this is predictable ^^^
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whoa hold on here ,what are you exactlly saying ? I have been here since CGN was on easyboards , I am in no way what so ever trying protect any company ,are you accusing me of something? and if I am I would like to know what I am being accused of ?. I just cant understand your point of veiw , I cant understand people who complain about something they do not own or have a stake in , If you dont want to buy a product than dont plain and simple .
 
Runningfool said:
...why is it the NZ and SA feedback here has been universally positive? In fact, some have joked that they got all of the good rifles and us Canadians got "sloppy seconds"!
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It might be funny if it didn't appear that way. ;)

I really would like to try an NEA. From what others indicate it has a phenomenal barrel, and the ARC+ BCG sounds really slick. If they went with a decent LPK, grip, flash hider and PDW stock assembly I'd probably bite. Until then...
 
mg4201 said:
Why would you find that hard to believe? Nea has been less than honest in the past. Why would they tell the truth now?
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Because to me, it isn't a "they" on the internet selling guns and maybe getting wires crossed or making a typo or being misunderstood or taken out of context, it's Jeff, who I was talking to about music which is an unrelated passion of his, directly telling me something, personally, from one guy to another, as we have talked in the past about a number of different subjects, some gun related, some not.

So for me it's not remotely probable that he just flat out lied about this. It would be the equivalent of sitting on the deck with one of your friends, and having him, out of the blue, mention that some issue he was having at work was the result of some accounting error he hadn't known about, and then later someone suggesting that your friend was lying about it. If you know your friend, you know how likely or not that would be.

I mean really, here are the two options:

1) the gun was never test fired. It left the shop without being checked, and somebody at NEA included fake brass with it so someone would think it had been test fired. It arrived at the store, wasn't racked, then was sold to someone who discovered a known issue with a bunch of NEA guns. The customer sent it back and NEA acknowleged the problem because they'd had a run of guns with the same issue, but in this case, they then test fired the upper without telling anyone, sent the upper back to the retailer pretending it had been previously test fired, and then surreptitiously released the (false) information that it had been test fired through an unsuspecting third party during a private conversation in the hopes that that person would reveal the prior testing, thus absolving NEA of one of a number of complaints, most of which they openly accept. The unsuspecting retailer looks at the gun and corroborates that part of the story, despite being complicit in a seperate conspiracy in which he falsely claims that the gun could be racked depending on how it was held, but that is a lie;

2) the customer was mistaken about the gun having been test fired.

I mean I'm not saying scenario 1 does not explain the situation...but does it REALLY seem more probable than scenario 2?
 
dweenz said:
There were in fact brass marks on the shell deflector.... that means the upper was fired. The charging handle COULD NOT be pulled to the rear which tells me that the lower was swapped over after it was test fired.
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####, thank god.

So we have at least established that there was not a cast conspiracy to fake a test firing.

The swapping of the lowers makes sense, but I would guess it's also possible that there was some angle that Ryan charges ARs at (I am assuming out of boxes, by the dozen, so I think we can forgive him for not doing it while in a modified isoceles with a thumb-over magpul grip every time) where it cycled.

Impossible to say now, of course, but at LEAST we have hopefully put the fake test brass theory to rest.
 
Because of the Dweenz issue I now charge them from different angles. Once you understand the issue it's easy to check for.

misanthropist said:
f**k, thank god.

So we have at least established that there was not a cast conspiracy to fake a test firing.

The swapping of the lowers makes sense, but I would guess it's also possible that there was some angle that Ryan charges ARs at (I am assuming out of boxes, by the dozen, so I think we can forgive him for not doing it while in a modified isoceles with a thumb-over magpul grip every time) where it cycled.

Impossible to say now, of course, but at LEAST we have hopefully put the fake test brass theory to rest.
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Glad we all agree because I was going to suggest that some of the people here without a dog in the fight file a claim with the BBB.

Someone ring up Derek. Tell him to drop all that G20 investigating. We have some serious #### to help solve the worlds problems.

Greg
 
I have an NEA, and am content with it. I"ve had two problems that rendered it NS. As such, I'm still remained out of the NEA bashing because, I was taught, that if a conflict could be solved at the lowest level, do it. No need to bring it up the chain. Or publicise it. I only brought up one of the issues on the forum, because I was not sure if the NS came from the fact it was a PDW-gas length/cycle etc issue or a manuf issue.

What sold me on NEA was their warranty, I knew that, if a piece failed to function, I could always use the warranty to get a replacement. NEA stepped up and provided remedial action.

I'm just glad I got a PDW length gun for under 1000. and it works.
 
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